Transcript

Auburn University Senate Meeting

November 8, 2005

 

Dr. Conner Bailey: Good afternoon.  Welcome to the last meeting, as far as I’m aware, of the calendar year.  I’d like to remind senators to please sign in at the back and as always, if we have a discussion matter that has much interest, senators will be given privilege of the floor first, but anyone who’s represented by this body-students, staff, A&P, faculty, administrators-are represented here and have privilege of the mic.

 

Minutes of the October 4th meeting of the Senate have been posted on the web page and I would entertain a motion to approve same.  Rik Blumenthal.  Do I have a second?  We have a second, Larry Teeter.  Any discussion?  All those in favor signify by saying aye.  Opposed, nay.  They pass without opposition.

 

Dr. Richardson is a little bit delayed today, coming back into town.  He should be joining us soon, so I will proceed with comments from the Chair and we’ll start moving through the agenda and when Dr. Richardson arrives, we will break, with your permission, we’ll break the flow of the agenda and find a time for Dr. Richardson’s remarks.

 

I’d like to start off by recognizing Jack Stripling of the Opelika-Auburn News, who is hiding back there to my left, about 2/3 of the way back.  I’m saddened to say that Jack is leaving Auburn and going to, of all places, Gainesville, Florida, if I remember correctly.  Jack, good luck, thank you for your service to this university.  Shameless peace making with our media friends.

 

I also want to start off with another high note and I want to express appreciation for the work that has been done by Donnie Addison and several student volunteer groups, including the SGA and the Environmental Awareness Organization, the EAO, who have been promoting a culture of environmental awareness on this campus.  At the last six home football games, we’ve recycled five tons of aluminum on this campus.  Five tons of aluminum; think of that.  A lot of RC Cola.  We’ve also established in many buildings across campus a desk side-recycling program, which I’m thrilled about and plans are in the works to establish a battery-recycling program as well.  The EAO has developed a campaign to encourage adoption, which I hope we’ll all pay attention to, of post-consumer recycled paper use in our Xerox machines and in other paper uses across campus.  It’s a very good opportunity for us to instill environmental standards on this campus and use it for pedagogical purposes.  Dr. Lindy Biggs in the History department is the faculty advisor of the EAO and she’s also leading our campus sustainability initiative.  While there’s a lot of attention given on this campus to pedestrianization and our transit system, Tiger Transit, I think it’s also important to acknowledge, recognize and applaud these smaller achievements in these smaller efforts, much less capital involvement, much less organizational effort that are going to improve the environmental quality, not only of this campus but the surrounding environment-my appreciation.

 

Last weekend, Rich Penaskovic and I attended a meeting over in Tuscaloosa of the Alabama Council of the University Faculty Presidents.  I’m sure you’ve felt the power shifts in the state of Alabama to the west as all of the faculty presidents from the University of North Alabama, West Alabama, etc got together.  One of the more interesting things that came out of that day and a half long meeting is that our colleagues at the University of North Alabama, whom you may have noticed in the media, have struggled over the years in some of the same ways we have had with, and I’m happy to announce they’ve had a successful conclusion of a presidential search.  They’ve established good working relationships with their Board of Trustees and shared governance is breaking out all over that campus.  So there’s some good news from another part of the state.

 

Our own Board of Trustees met on October 28th in a specially called meeting.  Dr. Willie Larkin, who is our Immediate Past Chair and faculty representative on the Board, in fact, advisor to the Board, is here to be able to answer any questions you may have of what transpired at that meeting.  Those of you who have followed in the media realize that a couple of things happened.  One is that Dr. Richardson made a very brief comment about a SACS special committee that had visited campus in September and I had previously shared with senators the written remarks that the Senate Executive Committee had delivered to that special committee when they came to town in September.  The SACS special committee report is on the Auburn University web page.  Thank you very much John Hachtel for making that happen.  It says that Auburn University is in compliance with all relevant accreditation criteria but SACS, at least the special committee, continues to have several concerns including conflicts of interest between certain board members, has concerns with the thoroughness with which the Board conducted an evaluation of Interim President Richardson and they also were, expressed continued interest in development of plans in a search for a new university president.  I understand that Auburn University will be developing a response to this SACS letter for presentation at-I think it’s on the 14th that that letter is due-and that Auburn University will be attending the December meeting of SACS in Atlanta. 

 

Also at the October meeting, the Board of Trustees received a report from Dr. John Kuhnle from Korn/Ferry International.  At the last senate meeting I noticed that Dr. Kuhnle had been retained by the Board of Trustees to help guide Auburn University in a presidential search.  This report has been posted, not only on the Auburn University Senate web page but also on the O-A News web page.  Many of you have probably seen it, I hope you have.  Let me just summarize by saying the report was blunt and in short, unless Auburn University is willing to conduct a thorough and public self examination with the assistance of a competent external professional consultant and to take action on the steps that need to be taken, will not be in a position to attract an appropriate slate of quality candidates for the office of President of this university.

 

I understand that Dr. James L. Fisher has been invited and will attend the Board of Trustees meeting on the 17th of November.  These meetings, as I’m sure you are all aware, are open to the public; typically are held in the Auburn University Hotel Conference-Dixon Conference Center, usually one of the ballrooms.  If you are interested, I urge you to attend. 

 

I would note that one of the issues that caught my attention was partway down the first page of the 18 points raised by Dr. Kuhnle, where he said that, quote: “Questions exist whether the current faculty senate speaks for the majority of the faculty.”  Given that senators are elected by their home departments-faculty senators are elected by their home departments-I don’t quite know how to interpret this question of this issue.  I would note that the only faculty group that met with Dr. Kuhnle was the Senate Executive Committee and I can assure you that we did not raise this question with Dr. Kuhnle.  It could also be that Dr. Kuhnle didn’t mean the Senate as a whole; may have meant the Senate leadership and that’s always a question and it’s always a question on the Senate leadership-the Executive Committee’s mind-to what extent do we represent the faculty.  Take for example the issue of post-tenure review, which we’re going to discuss a little bit later this afternoon.  I’d venture to say the majority of faculty believe as I do that post-tenure review is both unnecessary and possibly quite dangerous at this point in our institution’s history, but there are also many faculty who believe that post-tenure review is a good thing and others who are simply not worried about it.  Some faculty, maybe many in this room, are disappointed that the Senate leadership has made the decision to move ahead and develop a couple of models of post-tenure review for discussion and debate on this campus, which we will do in a little while, believing that we should have refused to participate in any effort that threatens the institution of tenure.  The Senate leadership made the decision, and it’s your judgment whether or not we represent your interests in doing so, that it was in the faculty’s best interests to develop, to work for a development of a policy that would protect academic freedom and the institution of tenure, to the best of our ability.  We’ve worked closely with the Senate Steering Committee on this.  We’re always understanding that the devil’s in the details and any written policy can be subverted, so we’ve done this with some measure of care and no little trepidation and disquiet of the soul.  Does the fact, does the Senate leadership represent the majority of the faculty in this matter?  I don’t know-we will find out.  The fact is, the fact that we’ve developed a process does not mean that Senate leadership embraces it nor does it mean that we would vote to pass it ourselves.  But we do want to have an open discussion of this matter, bring it before the Senate today, we will have one more meeting as I will discuss later in the afternoon with the university faculty.  I want to keep an open mind to the question of post-tenure review and urge all of us to do so as well.  I look forward to the discussions we will have this afternoon on the subject and in the next university faculty meeting.

 

Before I invite Dr. Richardson to come forward-glad you could join us, Sir-I want to also note that one or more faculty colleagues reading the AU Report today had some concerns about change in payroll and I wanted to make sure that we had an opportunity if there were questions either on that subject-Dr. Don Large and others of his staff are here to address those-or any questions you have of me before we invite Dr. Richardson to come forward, this would be a good time to raise any questions you may have, either on what I’ve said or on the topic of payroll.

 

Jim Saunders, Geology & Geography: I have to apologize, I just got back last night from being out of the country for three weeks so if I can paraphrase Will Rodgers, all I know is what I read in my emails and I was interested in  not only the comment about the faculty senate not being representative of the university faculty as a whole but this other comment that Dr. Kuhnle made about the Alumni Association not being, and there may be some qualms about how we select our candidates for the faculty senate.  We have a selection committee but as we saw, those of you who are alumni like myself, saw that we had numerous slates of candidates for the Alumni Association leadership and even some that were trumped up from ex-football players and things like that to quite possibly one of the Board of Trustee members, which were soundly defeated.  How much more representative can you get than democracy, as far as I concerned.  And for a consultant to say, without any statistics, that maybe the faculty senate doesn’t have responsive leadership or that the Alumni Association doesn’t is ludicrous and I say let him come forward with his statistics that say that, otherwise keep his mouth shut.  Thanks.

 

Dr. Bailey: I think Dr. Kuhnle was reflecting on what he had heard.  I don’t know that those were his judgments.  He said questions exist and the wording…sure, yeah.  And you know, this is a university and questions should always exist.  Thank you for comments.  Any other questions or comments?

 

David Cicci, Aerospace Engineering: I do have a question about the new payroll.  Several of my faculty members are a bit upset because of the change to distribute the paychecks over 10 equal payments instead of the current way it’s done now and particularly because we have been given such short notice on this.  It was announced today for the first time; many of them just heard about it.  First of all, I’d like to ask why the faculty was not informed earlier so that they could possibly handle or set up their personal budgets in a better fashion than to be surprised by a 10% less smaller paycheck starting in January.  That’s my first question.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you.  Don, would you like to address that question?

 

Dr. Don Large, Vice President for Business/Finance: (inaudible)…to be able to do probably a better job than I.  A little bit of background:  we are in the midst of several conversions of our systems, more extensive than we have done in 30-something years.  We have just put in the Banner Financial Budget System on October 1.  That needed to flow into a fiscal year.  We have around 70 of our people across the campus and many of them will be in your areas working extensively to put these systems in.  We have one outside consultant; this is contrary to the way most institutions are doing this.  We’ve had, for the most part, a very successful conversion with the Banner system.  It is not without challenges and we are working through some of those.  The deans and others have been good enough to provide their input and concerns and we have, we continue to address those and over the next few weeks and possibly months, we will have all those ironed out.  That’s our first significant transformation in over 30 years and that’s just a big change.  Followed up on that is the implementation of the new Human Resources system, and that’s what David is speaking of.  That needs to go into effect on a calendar year, it needs to go into effect January 1.  So we’ve got people working on those conversions.  In hindsight, we didn’t do a good job of communicating.  We were spending too much time trying to figure out a way to do it the way we have in the past and we just couldn’t and in September it became obvious we were going to have to change the way we pay and during that period we should have gotten better communication to you, but we didn’t, and we apologize and I take the full responsibility for that.  The reason for the change, recall nine-month faculty-and we’re the only institution we can find in the country, and maybe some of you do know differently-that would have a check in the first month and the last month and eight additional regular monthly checks.  The system, to get to that over the last 20-something years, we’ve had to go in and modify the system rather dramatically and there’s now reasons on this new implementation to why that is just, I won’t say that’s impossible but highly impractical to do so we’ve got to follow the delivered system, and that is either 10 equal paychecks over nine months or over your nine-month salary or 12 and over time, if you prefer 12 we may be able to do that, but having them like we’ve been doing in the past we’re won’t be able to do.  We’re following that up with student systems coming over the next year that will put us on a 24-7 capability of access, processing and do away with the Social Security numbers that have been your concerns and so a lot of things are going on.  We’ve got a lot of good people working hard; we won’t get everything right; this is one we didn’t do the best job of communicating it when we discovered it in September and it’s just getting out.  What does that mean?  It means in January you will, the nine-month faculty, will get less than they usually do.  It will be made up in May.  If you roll that back over into August, you’ll actually be ahead of the distribution that you would normally have during the year because you would pick up pretty much 90% of a check instead of 50%, so it is what it is.  If, I don’t have a better solution, David.  We don’t have good opportunities to do much more than get information out as quickly as we can.

 

David Cicci: Ok, as a follow up question it stated that the summer pay would be handled in two equal payments in June and July.  Now if nine-month faculty is on full-time over the summer with a research grant or whatever, those two paychecks would then be about 167% of your typical nine-month salary.  Can this new system handle that sort of thing?  Or is there going to be some limitation on what you can earn during the summer?

 

Dr. Large: I saw that comment in the email and I didn’t understand it.  I do have somebody here that may…Ronnie or Fred, did you all…

 

Dr. Bailey: Can you use the microphone please?  And identify yourself please for the minutes?

 

Ronnie Herring, Payroll & Employee Benefits: You’re right, it’s going to be June checks over the three-month period and the system definitely can handle it that way.  Another reason for doing that also is the Teachers’ Retirement System.  The Retirement System is adamant about, across the state there were some cases where people who were close to retirement or six years from retirement, they would get two summers in one year and of course, that would bump up their retirement benefit.  This way, you’re getting a check in June for the period really from May 16th to June 30th and that will go in one TR year.  Then the TR year that starts July 1 and so your next payment, which will be for, the one payment at the end of July is really for July 1 through August 15th, so that will go in the following TR year, so yes we can do it and Retirement System is approving the way we’re doing it because they have already handled it in the past.

 

David Cicci: Ok, thanks.

 

Dr. Bailey: Herb, did you have a question?

 

Herb Rotfeld, Marketing: Actually I already passed this to Don and it never occurred to him before that with this change of schedule, we actually lose money, in effect, because since pay raises don’t go into effect after we get our first paychecks for the year, instead of losing the pay raise on a small half-month check at the start, we lose our pay raise on a full amount of pay.  Unless we can start the pay raises from the start of the academic year instead of sliding it in somewhere after the year begins-that would be a nice change.

 

Dr. Large: Well, normally you would get, again, a 50% or ½ of a month in August and then this August you would get 90% so you’ll get more distribution as Herb points out, some of that maybe would have flowed over into a different fiscal year, ultimately, then you could be slightly impacted.  And that may be something the Budget Advisory Committee needs to look at as we convene our sessions this year.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you.  Are there any other questions?  Dr. Richardson, can I invite you forward now?

 

Dr. Ed Richardson, Interim President: Thank you, Dr. Bailey.  I again apologize for being late, I just got in from Birmingham and it took a little longer than I thought. 

 

I have several points that I think might be of mutual interest and of course, as usual, I’ll be glad to respond to any questions other than the payroll questions-I couldn’t answer those. 

 

November 17th & 18th, which is next week, we will obviously have a Trustee meeting and I anticipate two or three issues to arise that I will call to your attention.  First, I anticipate that the consultant recommended by Dr. Kuhnle, which is Dr. Fisher, will be present to describe the process he will use to compile his report, and that will be done on Friday morning-I would anticipate at this point.

 

The second item that I would add to the agenda is during the afternoon of the 17th, which is the Thursday preceding the Board Meeting, we will have Dr. Heilman, who is here today, to present to the Board, not for approval, just to let them know that we are working on that, the criteria that would be associated with academic program review and post-tenure review.  It is my recommendation, and I’m assuming Dr. Heilman, we are headed that way to pilot that over the second semester and then perhaps would have a better handle on the procedure by the end of the spring and then start the process the next fall, assuming everything works out.  So those will be the major items on the agenda.  I would call your attention to the fact that we will be having a ribbon cutting, if you will, for the Research Park.  I believe it’s at 10 o’clock on the 17th, which is a Thursday.  Governor Riley will be there.  I only point that out because it will relate to the legislative agenda that we will have later, and we anticipate, and I’ll spare you the details on that other that to say that research funding will be a major emphasis for Auburn and the University of Alabama for this coming legislative session-it will be a first, and I will talk about that a little bit later in detail.  So that’s what I would anticipate for the meeting next week. 

 

I would also like to talk about an issue that obviously has taken some unusual turns and that is the strategic plan.  Obviously, I think, Dr. Sauser did an excellent job with the internal review and was well received and it became apparent and many thought that the Board just usurped the process and had moved in the direction of ‘We’ll take it from here and let you know what happens.’  That is somewhat the interpretation that I received.  That’s not the case at all, so I’d like to go straight to the point and describe for you the procedure that I will talk to the Board about during next week’s meeting.  I have not talked with all of them at this point.  We anticipate that we will start the interview-we had one scheduled actually yesterday morning, but because of illness he was unable to attend-interview three people that have been recommended to us that could provide the Board with an external view of factors impacting on the operation of traditional universities.  We anticipate that will be done sometime in April.  Again, not having the person selected, not knowing the schedule, it’s a little premature.  But I hope that this will give you some comfort once I wade my way through it.  What I also anticipate is that we will also have the same consultant provide the same opportunity for faculty, I hope, preceding the work with the Board of Trustees.  Again, we will have to work on schedules.  Upon receiving that, then we’re going to ask again that those, the faculty committees who have been involved will have all the information that the trustees do.  We will start the process, come back in the fall and continue the review so that we can blend both the internal report compiled by Dr. Sauser and many of you that participated along with whatever information we bring from the external review.  I would anticipate that would take some time, which buys us both time, provides some continuation, I think, blends us more together rather than the trustees taking it and upon completion.  The trustees, that was not their intention, so do not be misled.  Obviously it was an abrupt change.  So I would anticipate the following then that we will have a consultant selected; it’s my intention-by the end of the month you should have that determined-I would anticipate then scheduling this person to come some time in March to make himself available to either the faculty committees or whatever format we choose to follow.  I would then ask him to have about a three-hour workshop with the Board during its April 13th meeting, which is the Thursday preceding its regular meeting on the 14th-same type of presentation.  Then we would basically do whatever we thought possible the remainder of the semester and then come back in the fall and give it a full consideration.  The reason that I was pushing as hard as I was because it was not my original intention to start a strategic plan was that I had been asked to do this by several of the trustees so that they would know what qualities they were looking for as they selected the new president.  But I really believe as we have looked at it further that we can do some analysis of both the internal and external factors and have sufficient information without bringing closure to that until we are close to having the president on board.  So I would say to you the strategic plan, that would be a modification, I would see it being finished sometime next year and that will be dependent on the length of the review as well as the length of the search for my replacement.  So change in the strategic plan.

 

The next item that I would bring to your attention deals with the February 2nd and 3ed meeting, which I anticipate, will be a rather significant meeting.  That one, by the way, is in Montgomery; we have that meeting at Auburn-Montgomery once a year.  I would anticipate the following two items being on the agenda at that time.  First I would anticipate that Dr. Fisher would have completed his work and would be prepared to describe for the Board what structural or institutional changes are necessary in order to affect the successful search for a president.  So I have no idea what that report will include and we’ll just have to wait and see.  I would simply remind you of Dr. Kuhnle’s comments and I do think Dr. Bailey was correct in that his comments simply reflected his interviews with a number of people, at least some thought, one of those topics or the other.  If you remember, when he left he anticipated that Dr. Fisher’s report would probably kick the shins of other people as well.  I started to say, but at that point I really thought it wasn’t appropriate, I thought ‘That’s what you just did, Dr. Kuhnle’.  But nevertheless, we anticipate an aggressive report sometime on the 2nd or 3rd and again, it’s just a matter of scheduling.  I would prefer that it would be on the 3rd, which would be the morning of the 3rd in Montgomery, but that again will be dependent on some schedules.  So Dr. Fisher will make his report hopefully in February.  I don’t know-he will describe for us next week the process-I do not wish to preempt his comments, but he has indicated to me at least that he generally involves three or four other people that have had significant experience working with universities, particularly in its overall organization, so I would anticipate that there would be a team of three or four people that would be involved in this review over the next 60 days or so.  I also anticipate during that meeting on the 3rd that I will place on the table the recommendation for the university system and I’m trying to sequence these issues because as some changes occur, my experience has been regardless of whatever level of trustees or Boards or commissions-of which I am familiar-is that they can really only absorb about two controversial topics in any one meeting and if you get more than that, they don’t hear much about the third one.  So I’m trying to shift, which leads me to the next issue.

 

On April 13th & 14th, obviously will be our next meeting in which we will have, hopefully for the Board at least, external review or review of external factors by the consultant-yet to be selected.  I would anticipate that would probably be on the 13th.  But on the 14th I would recommend that we consider what I’m calling the Ag Initiative or the Initiative for Alabama.  I moved it from February because I really felt, with the Fisher report and the university system in February that represented two significant topics and I would spread them out a little bit.  I would also anticipate that during that April meeting we would do our first major discussion of the FY ’07 budget, the budget for the next year.  So usually, as you know, the April and June meetings are the two meetings in which most of that work is completed. 

 

Now two or three other items I would call to your attention and then respond to any questions.  First, we are continuing to work very closely with the University of Alabama in a number of areas.  We are attempting to schedule a meeting between the two trustees, the old trustees.  That will not be a secret meeting; that will be a publicly announced meeting.  It has not been set at this time and I would hope that we do two things there: the first one is somewhat of an extended answer but I think we need to be aware of it.  It is my observation, particularly here and as I have talked with presidents in other states, at least some are having to deal with this issue, is that there is an increasing desire for redundancy among programs offered in our institutions of higher education.  I think in many respects, Alabama could be the poster child for such redundancy.  You pick seven Engineering programs, 29 Teacher Preparation programs, and 40-something Nursing programs, on and on and on.  Most states have one publicly funded medical program; we’re fortunate enough to have two.  So I would say to you there are some issues about redundancy.  What I’m seeing are regional institutions that are now starting to feel a squeeze from both post-secondary education as well as Division I programs and they are increasingly going to be attracted to programs traditionally associated with Division I.  Case in point: Pharmacy at the University of South Alabama or Doctoral programs announced by Troy University during the last meeting of the Commission on Higher Education.  So I would say to you that it’s important that we stick together because I think it’s quite apparent, at least to most, that the more of these programs you have, it means you distribute limited funds among more and we’re assured of mediocrity at the best. 

 

I hope also that the second reason for this will prove to be profitable.  One of the advantages that I do bring to the table is serving on both of these Boards of Trustees and having a level of trust.  It was rather easy to form this bond with the University of Alabama.  The new person will not have that experience.  So by getting the trustees more comfortable with each other and starting to work together, I believe it will provide a sufficient bridge for the new person to become familiar with Alabama’s politics, trustees and the other issues associated with the operation of the university.  So I hope that it will buy us some time in that regard.  I would point out the second issue that I have here of the three in this area deals also with Auburn and Alabama and that deals with the legislative agenda.  And so I’ll go back to the research piece that I mentioned earlier and I’ll summarize it.  I’m sure you’re aware; as most people are that the revenues and the educational trust fund for Alabama are greatly exceeding that which was predicted, which is a nice problem to have.  It is anticipated that there will be substantial money, some one-time money, and that’s the issue we’re trying to work through at this time.  I anticipate that the legislative agenda will not generate as much cooperation among the institutions of higher education as it did last year.  I do believe that Auburn and Alabama will stick together on this and we will both be successful, but, and we’re not trying to hurt anyone else, but there’s just enough based on the last meeting of the Council of Presidents that I anticipate this being more difficult to keep everyone together.  I anticipate several agenda-three that we had last year-be on the table.  Those deal with full funding of fringe benefits, which I’m sure Dr. Large could elaborate for you why there’s an advantage there.  Last year for the first time we were able to tie ourselves to salary increases for K-12.  And so we anticipate there will be another significant request for a pay raise for K-12 coming into this legislative session and so that will also be a similar request for us.  So I think, a second year in a row, there is an advantage to us in that it will hopefully be set in stone, that if other salary increases are coming, that higher ed gets a proportional share of the funding.

 

The last piece is a little uncertain but I would speak to you with what I anticipate will happen, I guess is the best way to describe it and that deals with research funding.  I think you’re going to see, with the Governor’s presence with his contribution of $10 million dollars that he put into it this last year, that you’re going to see an increased emphasis in expectations and from what I’m reading, the literature relative to higher education, there’s an increased expectation for higher education to play a role in economic development, job creation, and that sort of thing.  And I believe it can be handled within the context of the university without selling your souls to do that.  I would say that we anticipate particularly with the one-time money, and we hope with continuing money as well, for there to be some substantial funding for research as part of our request and part of our priorities.  Now the questions will be ‘Well, now what are you going to do with it?’  I can’t answer that at this point, but by the time the legislative session starts, and I would remind you that this is an election year, so that creates some unusual dynamics, but it also means that the session starts about two weeks earlier than normal.  It starts in mid-January instead of early February and so what we’re going to have to do is work through that.  So I want you to know that I believe that is an expectation of higher education and the state’s willing to fund it, I believe that we can effectively utilize that.  One downside to that is that there will be many institutions that will claim to be very proficient in research and they would like a pro-rata share of those funds.  That to me will delude it to such an extent that it would be meaningless.  So that will be a priority for the University of Alabama and Auburn.  Fringe benefits, full funding, salary, a pro-rata share and funding for research. 

 

One final thing I would point out.  I did not mention the final meeting of the year, which is on June 30th.  This is a meeting that in addition to the election of the officers of the Board of Trustees will start for the first time to be the formal report of the presidents of each campus, AUM and Auburn.  And this will deal not with, like some presidential reports in that we’re doing great things and everybody’s happy, this will be dealing with some very specific questions and targets as to whether or not they were met.  And I would anticipate that the following year that report will be far more extensive and informative because obviously, not having much time to set those targets.  In addition to that report, each president will be responsible for reporting on athletics in terms of funding, expectations and so forth and I think that will also be informative and constructive.  So I hope the June 30th meeting, that annual meeting where we elect the officers, the formal report and these other items will be out of the way.  I could add certainly that that’s usually the meeting in which the final work is done on the budget, and I think it is more likely this time since the legislative session will be over much earlier and then we’ll go from there.  So those are the items that I have, Dr. Conner, and I’ll be glad to answer any questions…

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you very much.  Does anybody have any questions for Dr. Richardson?

 

Cindy Brunner, Pathobiology: Dr. Richardson, I have a question that goes way back to one of your first comments.  You said that next week at the Board meeting on the 17th, Dr. Heilman would be presenting criteria to be associated with academic program review and post-tenure review and I would like either you or Dr. Heilman to expand on that considering that I don’t think either of those issues have reached a point of settlement.  How can we have criteria associated with it?

 

Dr. Richardson: This is what I would best-that’s a fair question, Dr. Brunner-this is what I would describe as I tried to indicate in my initial comments, this is more of a progress report that we’re working on both, we’re going to pilot it and it’s not for approval, it’s more for information just to convey to the Board that progress is being made.  We’re not going now or later to really ask for approval but we are trying to keep them informed.  And I think by us stepping up first, it prevents us from having to, or it enables us to avoid some questions later.  So I would say a progress report with more work to be done.

 

Dr. Brunner: Ok, so it isn’t that he would be presenting specific criteria that would be used?  It’s more that he would be telling what we’ve got going at this point.

 

Dr. Richardson: Well, Dr. Heilman, when I asked, when we had our first conversation, he made it quite clear to me that he wished to be the Provost and which was to say stay out of his business and I have tried to do that, but I would say that obviously there are some criteria that would be expected regardless of the system, so I would prefer to let him elaborate on that, but as far as if I understood your question and I interpreted it this way-is this the plan that we’re going to use?-then I would say no.  Will there be specific criteria?  I would anticipate some specificity but John, do you want to deal with that?

 

Dr. John Heilman, Provost: Thank you, Dr. Richardson.  I moved up here because it was closer, not to distance myself away from you.

 

Dr. Richardson: Thank you.

 

Dr. Heilman: The fact is the work on academic program review and post-tenure review, I believe, represents a very positive instance of shared governance.  I’ve been working with Art Chappelka in representing the Academic Program Review Committee of the Senate which has invested an enormous amount of time in this project over the past many months and if any member of the committee is here and wants to tell me that’s wrong, I invite you to do so.  A lot of work has been done on that.  Guess what?  Many, probably a majority of our peer institutions have academic program review systems in place and they have criteria.  That committee has looked at criteria, we discussed them and I think within the framework, with all respect-a very fair question-I believe that within the framework of the presentation that Dr. Richardson has described, it’s reasonable to begin talking, not to begin talking-I don’t want to go there-but to speak with the Board about what kinds of criteria might be used.  Ditto for post-tenure review-I think that among some, if nearly two dozen, I forget what all is on the list, but at our peer institutions in the SREB, there are two institutions which do not have post-tenure review systems, one is Tuscaloosa and the other is Auburn.  Where there are processes there are criteria; they tend to be highly decentralized, they tend to be reflective of existing policies of the institution, but here again, I believe it’s appropriate and Dr. Richardson has asked me whether I felt I would be prepared to do this and I think that is the case.  I’ve certainly studied the material that Dr. Bailey will be presenting.  I’ve visited the Senate webpage and Dr. Richardson asked me whether I would feel comfortable making the presentation on criteria and my answer was ‘Yes, I would’ and I plan to do it.

 

Dr. Richardson: Ok.  Thank you.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you.  Harriette?

 

Harriette Huggins, Chair, A&P Assembly: When you were making remarks about changes in the strategic planning process, you mentioned faculty committees a number of times.  I just want to know if A&P and Staff are going to be included in that process also.

 

Dr. Richardson: Absolutely.  Just an oversight on my part-it’s a full involvement and we think the university was fully involved before on the internal and it would be clearly inappropriate to exclude any groups and that’s just a shortcoming of my communication skills.  Sorry.

 

Dr. Bailey: Dr. Gadzney.

 

Dr. Anthony Gadzey, Political Science:  Mr. President, we in Political Science had a meeting on post-tenure review and other matters in preparation for this meeting.  At that meeting one of our  members had strong reservations about the appropriateness of inviting Dr. Fisher to provide  these overall evaluations of the governing structure of the university and the point raised was that those who read his book are not particularly not attracted to his vision of shared governance at the university.  I know it is your prerogative as president to appoint whatever advisors and consultants you want.  We just want you to know that while this is not open to a democratic choice, there are some reservations about his vision of shared governance.

 

Dr. Richardson: If I could respond to that and in just a minute you may have a follow up as a result-when a search for a president starts, the president, the one that’s in place now, sort of sits on the sidelines.  I’m not as directly involved in that obviously.  Dr. Kuhnle, if I summarized his comments and it’s something like this: whether it’s true or not, there are a number of perceived problems within the operation of Auburn University and he acknowledged in his first report that some of them are over exaggerated, and been beaten to death in the media and so forth.  But regardless, and I think we would all agree, that there are some problems.  I think the second thing I would say that he indicated that a successful search was not as likely unless some of those perceptions were taken care of.  In that regard, he recommended Dr. Fisher because he has worked with Dr. Fisher before and acknowledged him as one of the leading writers in the area.  So Dr. Kuhnle, in order to have a successful search, has recommended Dr. Fisher and that’s sort of the process we’re following.  So I would say that he will make recommendations to the Board.  Now the Board is not obligated, and they will go to the Board.  The Board of Trustees is not obligated to follow all of his recommendations.  But I do believe they will listen to him next week and I anticipate that he will be employed.  To take a consultant such as Dr. Kuhnle and say ‘Well, we heard your first recommendation and reject it out of hand’ really doesn’t set the tone for a very positive working relationship on the search.  I think those perceptions are out there and I believe, and whether it’s Dr. Fisher-and I don’t know Dr. Fisher and I don’t who else would be out there-that was Dr. Kuhnle’s recommendation to us.

 

Dr. Gadzey: I understand that, Mr. President.  The issue is whether or not we need a secular view.  But the person whom Dr. Kuhnle has recommended doesn’t come with full approval in certain quarters and again, we are in a situation where we need an outside review or reviewer to take a look at what’s going on in here, but if that person himself has a view that would exacerbate rather than give us some way out of the problems that we perceive, then I don’t think it’s appropriate to say that because Mr. Kuhnle recommended this particular person, that is the person you go with.  I think there are enough experts around the country for you to make a choice.  I’m guessing this is a reservation in certain quarters, given the contents of his book.

 

Dr. Richardson: Thank you very much.

 

Dr. Bailey: Herb.

 

Dr. Herb Rotfeld, Marketing: In 2004 the Journal of Consumer Affairs that I edit had a special issue on identify theft and related issues and when I  gave you a copy of that issue, your words to me were ‘You never give up on this, do you?’  My issue of concern here is our social security  numbers.  We’re coming up on a decade since a faculty committee made a proposal on how to get social security numbers out of usage as Ids.  A friend of mine on a school up north with about 40,000 students decided about 10 years ago that they wanted to get rid of it and about six months later it was done.  I keep coming back here and I keep hearing it’s being done.  A comment was made earlier about a computer program, again, being done.  Meanwhile, to register a bicycle, buy football tickets, to complain about a parking ticket and to ask for information at the activity center, you have to give your social security number.  When are we going to see this end?

 

Dr. Richardson: Good question.  It is valid and I think it should be.  Don, in your answer as we implement the Banner system, that is to be done, I guess the question is at what point could we expect that, is what Herb is asking?

 

Dr. Don Large: With the implementation of the Banner system, certain requirements for the social security number have gone away for the outside vendors.  With the HR implementation on January 1, the requirements for many of the social security questions will go away.  We still have the outside groups, the Athletics department and some of them we’ll have to work with to get them into the Banner system because they’re out on their own separate system.  So we will work on those.  But I would think, with the student system that we’ll follow up with about four different phases of implementation from June of next year to most of the following year, we’ll do away with most of the requirements for the students.  So it has been a long time, we are almost there-I would say you would see faculty, students, everyone at some point in 2006, students may not be fully out of that until all the student systems are up.  When is that, John?  Sometime in 2007.  It sounds like a simple thing but it has not been a simple thing with the type of systems that we have.

 

Dr. Richardson: So what we’d say, if I could just summarize, because I’m not sure if everyone heard that, Don.  So what you’re saying is that some would be completed by January 1st, some aspect of this, this coming January?

 

Dr. Large: (inaudible)

 

Dr. Richardson: In his example, in Herb’s example, something like registering your bike or paying a parking ticket or something like that, where is that in the….

 

Dr. Large: (inaudible)

 

Dr. Richardson: In that same process?  Right.

 

Dr. Large: (inaudible)

 

Dr. Richardson: I guess we can offer that.  It may not be sufficient, but that’s progress anyway.  Thanks.

 

Dr. Large: (inaudible)

 

Dr. Richardson: Thank you.  Don’t give up.

 

Dr. Rik Blumenthal, Chemistry/Biochemistry: Two questions, one quick comment and then a question.  We’ve had the comment several times about whether the Senate and leadership represent the faculty.  I can honestly say I believe I’ve seen this written in the newspapers that you have questioned, you personally have said that.  I’m insulted.  I have faculty meetings-I poll my faculty before every significant action item.  I did not vote to ask for the resignation of trustees, because Rik Blumenthal, the wild-eyed maniac wanted to do that.  I did that after polling my faculty and getting a unanimous, sir, unanimous vote of my faculty to take those actions that I took.  I had not a single dissenter on my faculty to those things.  Faculty are represented here.  I am their elected representative and believe me, those guys are quick to tell me if I say something out of line.  Now, to move on…

 

Dr. Richardson: If I could just respond to one point then.  The comments reflected from Dr. Kuhnle were not taken from me at all.

 

Dr. Blumenthal: But you have made comments like that.  I’ve seen them in the newspapers, you’re quoted as saying that and those comments make their way around, end up in his head and then they’re repeated by the trustees who believe it’s just wild-eyed Rik Blumenthal, and Jim here, that are making these comments and it’s not the faculty, and we in fact all poll, at least to my knowledge, all the senators poll our faculties before we take actions.

 

Dr. Richardson: Well, I don’t think we should be too concerned.  I think he kicked everyone in the room at that meeting.  I don’t think he is using that to justify the need for us to have the review and I think the heart of this discussion is the review itself and hopefully that will bring very productive changes that will improve things for both faculty and administration.

 

Dr. Blumenthal: Now I do have a question to follow up.  By my recall, the strategic plan came about as an initiative of the president as an administrative initiative.  When you started in this position, you said the most important job on your part was to make that boundary-what is appropriate for the Board, what is appropriate for the administration and erect a firewall so that the Board would stop meddling in the administration of the institution in such a way that they got this university on probation by SACS, and recall, that is the only thing that got this university on probation by SACS-the Board meddling in the administration in the running of this university.  Now if that was your goal and you started this strategic plan, and the Board has hijacked part of it, there is only one action you can take.  It was your plan, end it.  Stop the strategic plan.  So my question to you is, how do you justify resetting the firewall, saying ‘Look, if you’re going to hijack this, then there is no strategic plan.  You are to stay out of what I was doing.’  As I recall, that’s how it started, it was your strategic plan to present to the Board.  Now you’ve allowed them to hijack it, we’re right back to where we were before SACS came and said ‘You guys, get back on your side.’  And you’re giving that right back and we’re once again having micromanagement.  And now I hear today you’re going to have a presentation of ideas, a criterion for post-tenure review.  I respect what John said about program review, because that is a lot farther along the way.  The criterion for post-tenure review should not be presented for the first time to them.  It should be presented to the institution.  You said this is institutional operation, not a trustee operation, not a trustee policy.  Why is that not first being talked about with the body inside here?  Why is the first mention of your first decision or criterion going to them?  Going to the trustees, whom it’s not even their business?  They’re going to hear it before me.  Why?  It is my business; you said it was my business and not theirs.  You are not following your own firewalls and I want to know why you are now disassembling those firewalls that you said you came here to erect.

 

Dr. Richardson: Is that your question?

 

Dr. Blumenthal: Yes, why are you disassembling your firewalls?

 

Dr. Richardson: First, you’re not correct.  This is not a textbook where you just paint a line on the wall and the separation is accomplished.  This is ongoing based on daily decisions in different situations.  The institutional control is a term I used, and that is something that is very important.  I think you’re going to see the Fisher Report address that in some very significant ways.  I announced last June the various initiatives that would be on the table.  I identified November as the time that we would put the criteria on for post-tenure review and for academic program review.  I asked Dr. Heilman earlier if he was ready to give the progress report and he is, and I believe as you said earlier, you have been working with various faculty committees all along.  So it is not disassembled.  So in regard to the strategic plan, this was not a usurpation by the Board at all.  It wasn’t; they left it with me and what I’m trying to do now is pull it back together.  Yes, if that doesn’t come together, as I said we’re going to spend a lot more time working on it; then we could stop it.  But I believe to stop it would be far worse decision than trying to blend the two back together and the process that I took some time to describe earlier I think, I know that’s what I would recommend and I believe it’s a far superior plan than stopping it.  And I believe it will accomplish both objectives.  We’ll still have a clear line in terms of faculty involvement, faculty input and I believe it will help to maintain this issue of institutional control that I’ve described.  I think to stop it would indicate that we did not have the capacity to do it and that would encourage others to come along and go ahead and do it themselves.  I’ve made that choice and I believe it will work.  If I get out further, obviously it didn’t work exactly as I had planned to begin with.  If I get out further and it doesn’t work, then we can stop it at that point.

 

Dr. Blumenthal: But sir, if you’re in control, then why is another track being built on this train line by somebody else if you are in control?  If this going off and branching off in a new direction, why is that new track for the train’s progress even appearing if you are in control and it wasn’t in your plans?  I believe you need to seriously consider whether or not your plan was usurped and there was micromanagement and stepping over your firewalls.

 

Dr. Richardson: I have and I don’t believe that was the case.

 

Dr. Bailey: Are there any other questions before Herb asks a second one?  Herb, go ahead and then Jim.

 

Dr. Herb Rotfeld, Marketing: I’m not satisfied with the answer we had at the last Senate meeting about the issue of the ombudsperson and especially as you talk about concern for opening channels of communication and information on things around the university.  I think this is a position that is important and to remind you of the history again, when you spoke to AAUP shortly after taking on this job, you mentioned a desire that the faculty not speak outside, try and bring things to attention internally.  The problem with bringing things to attention internally is even, we’re not talking of things involving a grievance or in terms of things where we might have a personal self interest, but a channel is needed to point out and say ‘Maybe something’s wrong with the administration in my college’ or something like that, not speaking of my college, speaking hypothetically and an ombudsperson would provide that type of channel.  And this was mentioned by you at that meeting as something that was being proposed and we thought was going to effect shortly thereafter and we still do not have such a position.  And I’d like you to respond to that desire.

 

Dr. Richardson: Sure.  The issue was raised well over a year ago.  I did indicate that I was receptive to that idea and after the first year had elapsed and nothing had happened, I went back to Dr. Heilman and Dr. Large and said ‘Evidently this is not as big an issue as I thought it was’.  And so I believe Dr. Heilman has addressed that previously in terms of a review.  Is that not correct?

 

Dr. Heilman: Dr. Richardson, that’s correct and I managed to address it incorrectly.  The correct information as provided by Dr. Large is that in fact Lynn Hammond has invited a, can I describe it as an expert in this subject matter, to be here.  I believe that visit is scheduled to talk with us about systems and advantages of doing this.

 

Dr. Richardson: So that’s where we are in that regard?

 

Dr. Heilman: Yes.

 

Dr. Richardson: Thank you so much.

 

Dr. Bailey: Jim, just a moment.  I would just add that I believe that person is supposed to be here on the first of December.

 

Dr. Jim Saunders, Geology & Geography: Just a suggestion about this apparent one-time research money.  Auburn, unlike a lot of universities around the country, didn’t do much in the ‘60s and ‘70s for buying research equipment and we have a golden opportunity now because prices, which some of our colleagues spent millions of dollars on for various research equipment, are now down into the hundreds of thousands of dollars so if you need something to point to that would be a great one-time expenditure, it would be let’s get some research equipment here on this campus and I’m sure that it will pay itself back in many dollars continuing on into the future.  I hate to see it go to administrative overhead for whatever here at the university.

 

Dr. Richardson: That’s a good point and I would say there will be some one-time money that lends itself very well to what you describe and there will be some continuing money to support the research on a year to year basis and certainly that is possible.  That is not my job, I think, is to delve into the legislative arena and to secure the amount then it will be Dr. Heilman and others to decide how we best utilize that money.  But I’m just trying to make sure that Auburn is well represented and certainly equipment would be an appropriate expenditure and more specifically, because I do think that a fairly substantial amount of one-time money that could be appropriated during this coming year that would make it available to us about six months ahead of schedule.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you, Dr. Richardson.  Obviously we have missed you in recent meetings.  We will appreciate that.  We have no action items.  Today we have four information items.  The first one is from Caroline Glagola, representative of the SGA, one of the constituent groups of this body and she asked to spend about two or three minutes with us about the SGA Blood Drive.  Caroline.

 

Caroline Glagola, SGA: I know how you like your announcements, so I promise I will make this one short and sweet.  My name is Caroline Glagola; I am a representative from the Student Government Association as the Director of Blood Drives for this year.  I’ve come just to encourage everyone in the University Senate to participate in our SGA-sponsored Red Cross Blood Drive.  It will be held November 16th and 17th in Foy Student Union Ballroom.  Unfortunately, in the last blood drive over 90% of the participants were undergraduate students.  We would love to see the number of faculty, graduate students and everyone else in the university community increase at our next blood drive and we welcome you to come and donate blood and we would very much appreciate you helping us in our Bama blood drive.  We know people here are very passionate about that, too.  So if you could, we would appreciate your presence.  Thank you.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you, Caroline.  Next, let me ask Gisela to come forward to make a presentation from the Teacher Evaluation Committee.

 

Dr. Gisela Buschle-Diller, Chair of Teaching Effectiveness Committee: The Teaching Effectiveness Committee has performed a survey on the currently used teaching evaluation forms and I would like to bring the results of this survey to your attention. 

 

This is the composition of the Teaching Effectiveness Committee last year on the left side.  Some of the committee members have rotated off or have left Auburn and I have replaced the members on the right side.  You see that every college is represented and if you have specific questions that you would like to discuss, you can either contact me or your representative.

 

Now to the survey: concerns have been brought to this committee about the currently used teaching evaluations forms, and I’m talking here about the 8 questions that are used across campus.  Those eight questions have been put together by the Teaching Effectiveness Committee in 1988 and established in 1990 and since then have not been majorly modified.  The committee performed the survey in February 2005 and sent a short questionnaire of 10 questions to all faculty on campus.  The questionnaire focused on the validity of the teaching instrument as it is currently used.  It’s used by the administration and it’s used by instructors and if you would like to see the full survey, it is downloaded on the Senate webpage and the website is on the bottom of this slide.

 

The results are very interesting.  We got a response of about a third of teaching faculty across campus and we got additionally 170 written comments which were very interesting, too.  Now to the demographics: you can see from this graph on the left hand side assistant professors, associate professors, and full professors responded as well as instructors and visiting teaching faculty.  The tenure status was 31% untenured and 69% tenured.  And all colleges participated in this survey.  We got responses all across campus.  It is a concern of faculty in all the different colleges and departments.

 

After the questions, I’m going to present the first four that we had and the results to it.  As I said, you can see the full survey on the website.  So the first question that we asked was: How confident are you that the current 8 question teaching evaluation questionnaire accurately measures teaching effectiveness?  I circled the answers here:  we had numbers from 1-6, one meaning no confidence, six meaning complete confidence.  As the red circle shows, about 25% had no confidence and 27% had little confidence in the validity. 

 

And the second question we asked: To what extent do you believe that evaluations and comments written by students on evaluation questionnaires are used by Auburn University administrators to make decisions regarding the quality of faculty teaching performance for raises, promotion and/or tenure?  This time, you can see the answers are all on the left, right hand side pretty much on the believe completely.  So the faculty who had no confidence in the questionnaire believed strongly that the decisions that were made regarding raises and promotion and tenure, these evaluation forms affected those decisions.

 

And the third question we asked: To what extent do you believe that evaluation comments written by students on evaluation questionnaires are used appropriately by Auburn University administrators when evaluating faculty teaching effectiveness; in other words, are the data provided by student evaluations used in reliable and valid ways?  Again, we have in the Do Not Believe region and Little Belief region the most responses. 

 

The fourth question was: To what extent do you believe the current student evaluation questionnaire on faculty teaching is valuable and useful in terms of helping you improve your teaching performance independent of raise, tenure, promotion considerations?  In other words, do you believe that this instrument is helpful to you in becoming a more effective teacher, becoming a better teacher?  And I’ve circled the columns on the right side.  There is not really much that believes that these teaching evaluation forms as they currently are used are helpful. 

 

Now as I said before, we got 170 written comments in addition, and one of the committee members extracted the common themes that reappeared and grouped them and this is the result: 18 addressed the lack of or conflicting goals for teaching.  This has mostly to do with research and teaching in a split appointment and the higher importance of research when it comes to tenure and promotion.  52 addressed the misuse of teaching evaluations and here summarized the misuse by the administration as well as by the students that might use teaching evaluations as a means of getting revenge with an instructor.  16 addressed the lack of timely feedback.  That is partially a problem of administration, departmental administration, handling of the forms and partially feedback from a department head during annual reviews.  51 questioned the validity of the teaching evaluation form and its use so the actual questions were not really helpful and 4 only expressed positive feedback, so they were pleased with the current forms. 

 

So in summary, the widespread responses that we got across the university community showed us that there is some concern and that people really care about teaching.  A clear majority of the respondents expressed concern about the actual instrument and the questions that are on there and how it is used and more than 80% felt that the teaching evaluation form in its current form does not help them improve their teaching, does not help them become better teachers.  And that’s basically all; I just wanted to bring that to the attention of the Senate.

 

Dr. Bailey: Are there any questions?  What is your committee’s next step?

 

Dr. Buschle-Diller: Well, we presented this.  We have no official charge, so this could be the end of it.

 

Dr. Bailey: No, you’ll be hearing from me.  Are there no further questions?  Thank you.

Jim…

 

Dr. Jim Saunders, Geology & Geography: At what point did this become a function unit?  When I was a student here in the early ‘70s, we conducted our own evaluations.  Of course, we published a book for student use only.  At some point, it was co-opted by the university.  I don’t know if it was the same questions or not, but at what point did we start doing this evaluation?

 

Dr. Buschle-Diller: The current instrument has been put together by the Teaching Effectiveness Committee in 1988 and then implemented in 1990 and since then, the questions haven’t been changed much, except for quarter to semester and things like that, but the basic questions are the same since.

 

Dr. Bailey: I think there are some obvious problems that the respondents to this survey have identified.  I’d encourage you to talk to your faculty, send comments to Gisela and maybe we can make some changes.  Let me also note that there’s a Senate Administrator Evaluation Committee that’s also working at revising the document or instrument that we’ve used for administrator evaluations, so we have some parallel efforts going on.  Yes.

 

Dr. Darrel Hankerson, Mathematics: This issue came up a few years ago in a slightly different form and the proposal was to do folders, prepare packets that we were going to present to our advisors and so forth, and all I wanted to say is that my department would be very against that kind of solution.  It’s time consuming.  The best thing about the current evaluations is they won’t cost us any time.  They may be useless, but they don’t eat our time up.  So, I just wanted to go on the record and say my department will not support this idea of building teaching effectiveness packets or some such thing that eats our time.  It won’t-it’s not a value item in our department, maybe in other departments, but it will not be valued; it will simply be more time out of my day to fill up paperwork.

 

Dr. Bailey: Virginia.

 

Dr. Virginia O’Leary, Psychology: I just want to suggest perhaps to you, Conner, as you contemplate the subsequent charge to this committee, that you take into account the fact that there is a vast literature nationally on the topic of teaching effectiveness, evaluations, etc. and in conjunction with that, there is a great deal of data that’s been collected across the last 20-25 years.  There are numerous experts in this area who now have PhDs and who now make their living as evaluators, but it’s expensive to do it properly and by properly, I mean consistently and to utilize the data appropriately in terms of both its collection and interpretation.  So as we reflect on what we would like the next steps to be, it seems to be important to assess the extent of the institutional commitment to providing the resources to do it right.  The expertise, I’m convinced, exists in the nation to seriously engage in this process and make it a meaningful, as opposed to a meaningless exercise, but it will take a financial as well as a ideological commitment on the part of the institution.

 

Dr. Bailey: Doubtlessly anticipating your comment, Virginia, John Heilman is here to talk about the resources he’s willing to put into this…

 

Dr. John Heilman, Provost: Thank you very much, Conner.  I’d like to follow up first two points in response to the question ‘Where did this get started?’ and I don’t know whether this was the first administratively driven instance of teacher evaluation at Auburn University, but I recall back in 1976, which I know dates me, Dean Hobbs of Arts & Sciences organized a teaching evaluation committee to put together what I think is the precursor of the form that’s been used for some time now and I recall some members of the English faculty here who’ll remember Norman Britton, who was very active into his 90s, Norman also served on that committee and I will never forget his observation, which was that ‘They’ll tell you this system is going to be used to improve your teaching, but just give it a little time and it will be used in your evaluations.’  And I mean performance evaluations, but perhaps more importantly than that bit of nostalgia, I do think as Provost I do have a responsibility to respond to what was said about the teaching evaluation system, which is useless but has the advantage of taking no time.  With all respect, that can’t resonate well with the faculty in this room.  We are about quality performance and self-improvement.  I absolutely believe that is a value of this institution and faculty and to get specifically to the point that Virginia O’Leary raised and that you picked up on, Conner, you don’t have an activity that’s meaningful without some opportunity costs and yes, it’s going to take some time.  I understand that because I remember class time that was taken up in evaluations, and did I ever imagine that some of those comments might have been aimed at me in terms of vengefulness; yeah, I probably did.  I understand the issues about that but it’s going to take time, effort and investment of resources as well, and I think that’s clear.  Thank you.

 

Dr. Bailey: Dr. Brunner.

 

Dr. Cindy Brunner, Pathobiology: I’d like to make two points.  The first is that the statement that filling out evaluations is without cost is a fallacy.  It may not cost us but it costs our class time and at the very least, it costs our students’ time if they’re conscientious about the process and particularly if we teach courses like some of the courses at the Vet School that may have 12-15 instructors in one course and the majority of them are evaluated in that course.  My second point is that I’d like to introduce you to Dr. Jim Groccia, who’s the Director of the Biggio Center for Teaching and Learning and it’s my understanding from our Board meeting last week that he will be working with the Teaching Effectiveness Committee in their pursuit of a better way of evaluating teaching effectiveness and if we needed an expert, we have one.

 

Dr. Bailey: Jim is no stranger to this committee and in fact, serves on it.  If there are no other questions, then let me invite John Heilman to come forward with brief comments updating us on the status of the Ag Initiative and I’m glad to see so many are staying behind to talk about post-tenure review, which is coming up next after his part.

 

Dr. John Heilman, Provost: What you see is the text of the message that went out from AU Daily late last week and it describes where we are with the Ag Initiative or the Initiative for Alabama.  Going down to about the second paragraph, you may recall that Dr. Richardson initiated, established as one of his initiatives an agricultural initiative and set up a commission to provide input on that.  That input was made available; there was a concern expressed over the summer that there, for whatever reason, had not been adequate opportunity for faculty input and early in the fall, Dr. Richardson agreed to let the Provost’s Office organize a further phase in that process, which I’ve called the Initiative for Alabama. 

 

Here’s where we are: I’ve put together a task force, of which Dr. Bailey’s a part of; several members of the Senate leadership are part of it and includes administrators, especially those involved in Agriculture and the college areas that are involved in the Experiment Station to organize four lines of activity.  The report is now available on the web as to the results of this work.  Step One was to develop a vision for Agriculture and related disciplines based on faculty input-we have that and it was initiated through two three-hour workshops which were facilitated by Charles Laughlin, who came to the Auburn campus to do that. 

 

A second step was to access the direction of agriculture in the state of Alabama and the United States, the question being ‘Does what we think our vision is look like where things are headed generally?’  A report on that subject appears also on the web-you’ve got the website there.  And in fact, in my review and I studied this, a fair amount of overlapping correspondence between the vision and where the direction seem to be headed. 

 

The third step or area of examination is extremely important, as are the first two, and that is organizational options to guide the initiative; in other words, if you say that we’ve got a vision and we want to put together resources to drive work in the area that the vision addresses, then what structure do you have to do that?  A group of faculty and administrators put together a discussion of four models, including the current Auburn model, two structures frequently employed at other institutions-these are sometimes called the Super-Dean model and Vice President model-there are plenty of examples out there-and also a mission-funding incentive-based structure.  Discussion of these is available as well and in order to facilitate campus discussion and further faculty input, especially with respect to the tremendously important issue of structure.  What comes into an entity possibly similar to what’s at other institutions?  Is it Division III?  Is it Division IV?  What exists at other institutions?  Is it Division III? Is it Division IV?  Is it one or more colleges?  Is it departments?  These are huge issues and a framework for thinking about and commenting on them is offered on the web and I invite you to, and all your colleagues, to visit and share those comments, share your thoughts about it.  That process has begun.  I don’t know whether Steve McFarland is still here-I know that we had a huge amount of feedback on the vision.  Feedback has been a little bit slower on the structure issue-it’s very important to have that.  To facilitate that feedback or the discussion, the on-campus discussion with faculty of structural options-Mike Moriarty, who I already believe is no longer with us this afternoon-has invited Charles Laughlin back to campus on September 16th.  There will be two three-hour open forums that he will facilitate to discuss issues related to structure.  I believe they’re from 8 or 8:30 to 11 and 2 to 5.  I would invite all who are interested in these matters to attend one of those sessions and also to visit these websites.  Conner, I think you and I have discussed this-I think it’s very clear to all of us that feedback is important on these matters and we will be monitoring very carefully how much we receive and providing whatever opportunities we need for thorough discussion.  Thank you very much.  I’d be glad to answer questions.

 

Dr. Bailey: Are there any questions for Dr. Heilman on the Ag Initiative?  Thank you very much, John.  Let me encourage you all please to spend some time, particularly those with an interest in this topic, to spend some time and provide some feedback on this topic. 

 

I’d like to now turn to the subject of post-tenure review.  I had developed a somewhat lengthy statement somewhat paralleling comments I had made at the University Faculty Meeting on October 18th.  I’m going to truncate those dramatically in the interest of time.  I appreciate your forbearance.  Comments referred to AAUP, our University Handbook, and the importance of tenure at this university, the need to have effective annual performance evaluations because all of our, the two models of post-tenure review that are going to be discussed are based on adequate annual performance evaluations.  All of these models are designed to be constructive and supportive and developmental, not punitive.  By this I mean there’s no intent to create a mechanism to fire faculty.  In fact, we want to create mechanisms for those faculty who might need some additional support; to provide that support through a post-tenure process, if such is adopted on this campus and supported by this faculty.  It’s in no way going to undermine, it is our hope, any aspect of academic freedom.  We’re going to be looking not only at ways to evaluate those who might be having some difficulty in performance but also to reward those whose performance is exceptionally good or outstanding.  So there might be some mechanism in place in a policy such as we’ll develop that would reward excellence in performance. 

 

We have identified through this process that there are indeed some problems with our annual performance evaluations and these need to be addressed.  We have had the Senate Executive Committee have some discussions with Dr. Richardson; in fact within the last couple of weeks and at that point there was discussion that we might wait until the spring of 2007 to initiate a post-tenure review pilot project.  Understanding some comments I heard today that maybe that delay may not be the case but I’m closed to that option at this point and I hope others will not be as well. 

 

There are two models that we’ve presented on the Senate webpage; one is the what we call the Trigger Mechanism, where only those people who have been evaluated as having been unsatisfactory in performance in two years out of some five, six, seven years would go through a post-tenure review process.  The other process is what we’ll call the Universal Model, which is that all of us go through the process.  We use the annual performance evaluations.  We’re going to be stacking up all the collective performance evaluations and annual reports that we do.  Our department chairs will provide additional, the performance evaluations that we all are supposed to be doing, and then that will go forward to a committee.  Those are the two basic models.  I hope you’ve taken the time to become familiar with them and I would at this time simply like to open the floor for discussion.  Dr. Rotfeld.

 

Dr. Herb Rotfeld, Marketing: Conner, in Dr. Heilman’s earlier comments, he made a statement that I found a little bit bothersome when talking about post-tenure review.  His comment was ‘Every university and state, except for the University of Alabama and Auburn, has post-tenure review’-or it was something along those lines.  And here it is the University of Alabama is often discussed by the president as our comparable state organization.  If they don’t have post-tenure review a. why not? b. Are they under the same pressure to have it and if they don’t, why should we?

 

Dr. Bailey: I believe that Dr. Heilman’s comments referred to SREB schools, not all schools and it’s probably not appropriate for me to comment publicly on why the University of Alabama has or does not have something.

 

Dr. Rotfeld: Are they under the pressure to have something?

 

Dr. Bailey: At the meeting that I referred to this past weekend of Alabama Faculty Senate Chairs, there was no evidence that the University of Alabama was under any pressure and one person with a somewhat, shall we say, high-ranking administrative responsibility said the faculty here simply would not put up with it.  And I prefer not to divulge that person, but let me just say it was not a faculty member, just an administrator.  I would also note that at that same meeting, we had a lobbyist who works for the University of Montevallo and when asked the question ‘Are there pressures within the Legislature to bring forward post-tenure review?’ he was puzzled by the question.  He had not heard that.  I don’t know what else, how else I can answer that.  That’s what I know.  Dr. Gadzey.

 

Dr. Tony Gadzey, Political Science: Again, this is from our meeting we had prior to coming to this particular issue.  One of the views expressed questions whether we could actually believe what you have just said, that the post-tenure review is not meant to be punitive.  If it is not meant to be punitive, aside from the fact that certain departments do not offer the kind of quality annual evaluations that you recommended, I don’t see why if the goal is to have those who are not doing very well, we do not use the current system to identify those people and help them.  Why must we abandon this particular system and add something to this particular system if we could use this particular system as it is today to identify those who might need help, if the goal is to help those people?  That is a crucial issue, so if you’re saying it’s not punitive, I want to believe you, so do many people in that meeting, but it’s not believable if we do have within the current system the ability to identify those who need help and target these kind of measures to help them.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you.  I don’t know I can respond to you or give you any sense of comfort on that.  It does seem to me that at many other universities, and there may be exceptions and there’s one on our Senate webpage-Virginia State University-but in most other universities, the post-tenure review process does not in fact seem to have a punitive dimension.  But as I said in my comments earlier, devil’s in the details and the policies implemented by humans are human policies and as a political scientist, you can appreciate what that might mean.  Dr. Brunner.

 

Dr. Cindy Brunner, Pathobiology: Conner, the faculty in the department of Pathobiology met to discuss and vote on the two proposals that have been offered by the Steering Committee.  We met last Friday.  I had predicted secretly that they would favor one or the other of those two proposals, but I couldn’t predict which.  My faculty tend to be pretty hardheaded about things, pretty demanding.  They’ve got a high expectation level for people going up for the tenure, although the responsibilities, the assignments within the department range widely from a very, very strong diagnostic service component to a very strong research component.  The expectations are high.  What surprised me was that they voted to not accept either of the two proposals that are on the table.  Neither did they decide to stand in the doorway and refuse to participate.  What they’ve recommended instead, and this is by a vote of 15-1-I didn’t vote and the department head didn’t vote-they’ve recommended an alternative that has two parts.  And the first part is that they respectfully, and they said I had to insert that word, they respectfully request that Dr. Richardson explain to us exactly what is the problem with the current system of faculty evaluation.  And we spent quite a bit of time at the meeting talking about that.  They wanted him, or someone, to clearly identify what aspects of the current system are not working.  So are we dealing with a problem of public perception that faculty don’t work very hard?  Are we dealing with accountability problem?  Is it true that the current system does not hold faculty accountable?  Do we actually have a substantial amount of deadwood among the senior faculty that needs to be taken out and burned?  Is the problem our dismissal policy and in fact, there are very few faculty brought up for dismissal and of those, nobody can seem to think of anyone who has been dismissed. 

 

The second element of their proposal, once we’ve identified the problems, is that we fix them, that we craft a solution that works within the current framework of faculty evaluation and dismissal.  So there are two parts to the approach of faculty evaluation.  There would be a high degree of emphasis on the annual performance appraisals.  We clearly need to fix some things there.  The performance appraisals need to be tied with faculty development planning so if a department head finds an individual not to be meeting expectations, there needs to be a concerted conscientious effort to work with the faculty member to try to remedy the situation.  Then beyond that, given two or three tries-and they’re not looking at 2 out of 6 years.  I think they’d like to look at two consecutive years as sustained evidence of lack of productivity-they then argue that there ought to be some penalty associated with failure to respond to a remedial plan and that penalty could even include dismissal.  But if we’re going to consider dismissal as a punishment, we need to revise our dismissal policy, because at the present time, our dismissal policy deals only with fitness of a faculty member as a professional.  It doesn’t, at least the verbiage, only allows for unfitness as a cause for dismissal.  It doesn’t include things like a lack of performance of duties or productivity or the sort of things we’re talking about with post-tenure review.

 

So that’s their strategy.  They feel very strongly that we don’t need to invent a whole new level of bureaucracy.  We certainly don’t need to burden the tenured faculty with reviewing 18% of their colleagues every year for the rest of their lives and we don’t need to impose a system that, in the words of one of my colleagues, is nothing but “ear candy” and I looked that up and I think he’s got it wrong, but any rate, he thinks that this business about post-tenure being for faculty improvement is a lot of fluff, it’s a lot of BS and really seriously, what is sought by the individuals who are putting the pressure on about this.  Is this a way to identify those faculty who are underperforming and do something about it?  If that’s the problem, then let’s deal with that.  Let’s find a solution to that problem.

 

Dr. Bailey: Dr. Brunner, thank you.  Dr. Blumenthal.

 

Dr. Rik Blumenthal, Chemistry/Biochemistry: I‘ll succinctly say what I said last time, but I’d like to start by saying that I agree overwhelmingly with the members of the Pathobiology Department.  I think they’re well thought out and those are basically my thoughts and just to reiterate what I said at the general faculty meeting: I would recommend to the whole of the faculty to resist this and not vote for some plan because you think it’s the lesser of two evils, because what is going to happen is hopefully, somewhere within the next few years, we will have a new president and before he arrives, we will have voted for this post-tenure review plan and we will be stuck with it forever.  If in fact we are resisting it, if in fact we say we do not prefer to have any or at least before choosing what the least of our two evils is, register a strong statement by a vote, that we want no plan.  We want to use the system that exists.  We will modify it if necessary to relieve the deadwood problem, but let’s stay with what we have.  Let’s not put in a new system and I think if we go ahead and do it, I think we are locking ourselves into having one.  I believe, as one of my faculty members assailed me in the hallway, ‘absolutely if they do this, not by trigger, because it will be used punitively.  This is Auburn University.’  And I think most people here know what I mean.  We were afraid of this because it might be punitive and you hear all kinds of talk: ‘I’m worried it will be punitive’-there’s a reason why we think that.  Rest my case.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you, Rik.  I understand the point.  Let me, Charles, if you will for a moment, I should have mentioned this in my comments that my understanding of the process from here in addition to what we heard earlier about what the Board will hear in its November meeting, is that the university faculty will discuss this matter one more time and there will be votes taken.  My understanding is at this time we will start with a vote, yes or no, on post-tenure review.  Once that vote is taken, if the vote is yes, that the majority of the faculty at the university agree that we should proceed, then we will subsequently have a vote on one or the other models.  We will have one or possibly two votes at that university faculty meeting.  I’m sorry-who was first?  I think, Charles, were you first?

 

Dr. Charles Gross, Electrical and Computer Engineering:  We’re on our home court here because this is our building.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you for sharing it with us.

 

Dr. Gross: Hope everybody’s comfortable.  Usually too cold in here for me. 

 

I have polled my faculty on this issue over email and have had numerous conversations with individuals and I think I can state their consensus report is basically they argue that we already have post-tenure review.  Every faculty member has an annual review, also submits an annual report.  It’s a very exhaustive process and we’re really quite comfortable with the system and it’s working just fine.  The purpose of that really is threefold.  There used to be a basis for merit raises and promotions and that’s part of the reason we had these annual reviews.  The second reason is that if a faculty member does have some kind of deficiency, the department head shares that with him and comes up with a plan to rectify that.  The third issue is people who are on the tenure track need to have some guidance as to how they’re doing and that’s the third reason for the activity.  Of course Auburn University already has a system for dismissing tenured faculty and it’s for cause.  The burden of proof is on whoever thinks the faculty is not performing.  By the way, one facet of that is incompetence.  So we think it works just fine, including our leadership in the college and so from my point of view, this is a solution offered to a non-problem, in my point of view.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you, Dr. Gross.  Dr. O’Leary.  Oh, Dr. Sadik Tuzun.

 

Dr. Sadik Tuzun, Entomology & Plant Pathology: I have also been discussing this with individual faculty members on several occasions in my department and I have received numerous emails and a couple of things really caught my attention.  One thing was that when Dr. Richardson came here as a president, he started with 6 initiatives and his 6 initiatives did not include anything about post-tenure review.  And he said that post-tenure review was due to political pressures.  Now we are finding out there is really no political pressure and I also attend all the Board Meetings.  The first time post-tenure review was mentioned in a Board meeting, without any discussion in front of the faculty, by Richardson, by President Richardson.  So my faculty is seriously concerned.  In several points, this is not only freedom of speech that we are protecting.  As you see, we are still speaking and even if you threaten us, still speaking, faculty will speak out.  It is academic issue.  Tenure is initiated-we look at, first I thought it was in England, but it was Sorbonne in 1600’s.  Similar thing to tenure to protect freedom of achievement, they called it, freedom of thinking.  They don’t talk about hiring, firing, anything like that.  Tenure protects freedom of thinking, freedom of ability to develop, freedom of ability to freely explore science or whatever area that we are working.  There is no reason for another layer of evaluation process and my faculty is unanimously against it.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you.  Dr. O’Leary.

 

Dr. Virginia O’Leary, Psychology:  You know it just occurred to me as I was sitting in my seat thinking about this very distressing issue that we have, as an institution, been struggling with for some months, that perhaps the problem is merely semantic and perhaps the Provost could report that to the Board; it does represent some progress.  We conduct post-tenure review every time we review the performance using the activity report format of a tenured faculty member.  That’s what it is-it is the review of a tenured faculty member following the awarding of tenure by the Board of Trustees of this institution, who make that determination either because the person has come up through the ranks at this very institution or because the person has been hired from the outside and has been approved formally by that Board, although it’s kind of a de facto approval, but nevertheless, it’s on the recommendation of the academic officers of the institution and so it seems to me that it certainly could be argued that we are engaged in the process of post-tenure review and we have been for some time but that the process itself is imperfect and needs some attention that the progress to be described to the Board will be more in terms of the issues that must be addressed in order to make the current system the best possible system in Alabama, in the nation.  But to get out of this trap about “post-tenure review versus annual evaluation”.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you.  Dr. Locy.

 

Dr. Bob Locy, Biological Sciences: Thank you, Conner.  I just like to say, as you well know, Conner, at the outset of post-tenure review at the Steering Committee, we really discussed practically all of the things that have been said here today and I have one other thing I want to add to that.  I pretty much agree with a lot of what has been said, that it’s a problem of perception, as Virginia O’Leary has just said and as Sadik mentioned, it’s also a matter of we already do post-tenure review and that as Cindy mentioned earlier, that really there’s a problem of identifying what was wrong and I believe in Steering we came to the conclusion that what was wrong was that our current process of review was not necessarily adequate to be convincing in terms of perceptions that what steps that have been taken in the past are doing the job we want done.  Dr. Heilman has heard all of this and my understanding is that he’s to put forward some summary of what he thinks the plan should be forthcoming as someone originally from the Political Sciences Department, I think he’s well aware of the notion that in politics, perception creates reality and so the issue is how to create the right perception and I think we really have the team assembled to do this job for the university the way Virginia just eloquently, more so than I, could ever speak to it and I think practically all of the concerns that are on the table here are going to be addressed and perhaps to go along with saying that, my view is that the process is perceived really very wrong and that we have a lot of input and that the output is going to reflect what is happening.  I’d just like to say I think you’ve done a marvelous job of representing the faculty leadership in terms of trying to hold this together and address political issues that were being brought before us where as this body isn’t set up to address them very well.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you.  Dr Brunner.

 

Dr. Cindy Brunner, Pathobiology: And I realize I’m borrowing speaking time from the next two or three meetings, because of the amount of times I’ve been here.  I forgot something: the model we’re proposing actually has a name.  I’m going to call it the Michigan State Model and I want to read you a short paragraph, excepts of a paragraph from the Michigan State website.  The date on this, the statement was issued by the Office of the Provost on December 18, 2002 but it is the current statement to the best of my knowledge:

 

Michigan State University has not adopted a distinct separate policy on the review of faculty following the reward of tenure.  Post-tenure review is implemented through several existing policies and procedures contained in the faculty handbook.

 

And I’ll skip a sentence there.  They had to clarify the meaning of the term incompetence as it regards dismissal policy, then went on:

 

Performance is monitored through the use of annual written performance evaluations as required by the policy and faculty review.  Work performance is determined in such reviews as to be reflected in annual salary adjustments and as a basis for advice and suggestions for improvement, although not triggered by a fixed number of years of low performance; discipline in a variety of forms may be invoked.  Under the policy for implementing disciplinary action, dismissal is not sought.  In more serious cases, the dismissal of tenured faculty for cause, procedure can be invoked.  This procedure involves notice and a formal hearing, involving review by peers.  Interpretation of the term incompetence by the University Committee on Faculty Tenure-which is a standing committee at Michigan State-includes an expectation of professional development support and review by peers before disciplinary or dismissal action is contemplated-and that’s it.

 

That is their policy on post-tenure review and I like it.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you Cindy.  Dr. Stadler.

 

Dr. Holly Stadler, Counseling & Counseling Psychology: I’m not a senator.  I’m just speaking for myself with a very different point of view, if I may be so bold as to present that, after hearing what everyone else is saying.  I think with our, as we’ve structured our careers in academia, we give a lot of attention to the developmental milestones that occur before tenure and untenured faculty get a lot of feedback, not only from the department head, but from the senior faculty in their department, third year review and now we have reviews every year for untenured faculty.  All that kind of feedback, support, looking at the big picture ends when a person is tenured.  I would just put out for an idea that may not be the best way to move along in terms of thinking about a person’s career.  There are many other milestones that occur after tenure that make mean a broader perspective than just the annual review.  Another thing that I think happens after than tenure decision is that a great amount of power and decision-making authority rests in the hands of the department head.  We don’t have reviews by peers or by senior faculty after tenure.  So we’ve heard that some faculty members are not particularly pleased with the level of annual review and so they’re essentially getting limited feedback on their own development and they’re getting no feedback from their peers in any kind of structured way.  So I think that post-tenure review does a number of things: it looks at the faculty members’ career developmentally and it takes out of the hands of the department head a very large amount of power over the faculty member’s career.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you.  Sadik let me make a comment to that.  As I’ve looked, and as the Steering Committee and Executive Committee have talked about this, this is the one issue, if I was going to point to a positive feature of post-tenure review, it’s the check on the power that an individual department head or chair has over the annual performance evaluations and to provide another mechanism for screening, scrutiny of those annual evaluations.  Dr. Tuzun.

 

Dr. Sadik Tuzun, Entomology & Plant Pathology: Other things came out from my faculty that I forgot to mention.  One of them was the SACS review.  SACS had no problems with academia in Auburn University.  The problems were with the Board and were associated with the Board.  Well, now this has hopefully been taken care of and anything that will disturb the harmony in the university among the faculty will be a problem that maybe goes to SACS eventually.  So several words are used in the emails-one of them is mistrust in the department of problems.  Department head and problems between the department head and individual faculty members-these are bound to happen.  You cannot like everybody and nobody ever does-it’s impossible.  This is just the human nature. 

 

What I think, there is no need of review of a person.  We also as individual scientists review ourselves.  Our papers get reviewed before they get published.  I think this university, if they really want to do something, they should increase the number of sabbatical leave requests, awarding sabbatical leave to faculty members every five years, if they want to do something instead of spending money and time on another layer of review.  Development seminars-we can seminars here.  We can send faculty members to different institutions.  We can bring faculty members here to work together to increase cooperation between universities. 

 

So, I think the most important point right now is to concentrate on the initial six points that Dr. Richardson brought, because we have been working on that and at this time, I don’t know how Dr. Heilman will manage that, but let’s give some time to this.  Let’s not disturb the harmony and maybe in the future we can talk about this.  But right now, this will be more destructive than constructive.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you.  Yes?

 

Gary Martin, Curriculum & Teaching: First, a comment: I think Dr. Stadler did a very nice job of describing the potential benefit of a post-tenure process and I’m still evaluating that, as are the faculty in my department.  But I think that was the one point I think that we can agree could be very positive.  But I do have a procedural question.  I’ve heard two things stated in terms of what’s happening next.  First, there’s going to be a series of one, possibly two faculty votes at the next faculty meeting.  Secondly, Dr. Heilman will be reporting to the Board of Trustees.  My question is: is there any connection between these or is the faculty vote in essence just us feeling good about having voted?

 

Dr. Bailey: My sense is that, and my hope is that at this next Trustees’ meeting in November that Dr. Heilman will present the status of thinking on this campus as it regards post-tenure review and will say that he will be coming forward with a recommendation at a future meeting.  We can have a special called meeting of the University Faculty before the end of this calendar year.  Given the nature of the semester and timing, it’s my recommendation and what others have told me that we do this somewhat maybe early in the new calendar year and there may well be two votes that will take place at a single meeting and the first vote would be, if it is the preference of the university faculty who favor the development of post-tenure review, yes or no, and then if the answer is yes, then to express opinions on which model would be most preferable.  Does that answer your question, Gary?

 

The question was: was there any divergence with what I said and what Dr. Heilman said.  John, can you answer that?

 

Dr. John Heilman, Provost: I think the question is whether, the question as I recall it was-first of all, not to quibble with words-it was suggested that I would be making a report to the trustees and not to focus, not to parse the words too carefully, I don’t see this as a report, I see it as basically a statement to the Board about what criteria for academic program review and post-tenure review might be.  I will say that what I will say will not be disconnected from the ongoing communication that I’ve had with the Academic Program Review Committee and the work they’ve done and also with the Steering Committee and the discussions that have taken place there of post-tenure review.  With that as background, I think your question, and it’s a very reasonable question is, ok, Heilman is going to say something to the Board and then we get to vote is, as some might say, is the vote near Kabuki Theater-does it really not matter?  Well, you certainly wouldn’t expect me to say yes, but in being quite honest, I would say no.  I think the views of this body matter a great deal and the views of the faculty matter a great deal and I’ve been quiet because I’ve been taking notes, not to keep track of who said what but what the ideas were and I believe that the system that is recommended to Dr. Richardson and I’d emphasize that any recommendation that I’d expect the Provost would make to Dr. Richardson, it is my belief as a practical matter that decisions about tenure and promotion are made by the administration and that’s where it stops.  And I think that is how I would view matters of post-tenure review as well, so that the views of this body expressed in debate would be just in hearing or through vote, I think will carry weight and be important.  To go a step further, which may be my fatal flaw-I tend to do that-if the faculty were to vote not to approve or to reject the notion of post-tenure review, would I take that as preventing me in good faith from making a recommendation to Dr. Richardson and the answer is no.  So I hope this is enough.  I’ve attempted to be responsive to what is a fair question.  Thank you.

 

If I might just take a moment, I’d like to second what Bob Locy said with respect to Conner’s, in my view, very balanced leadership.  Thank you.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you, John.  Yes?

 

Cliff Perry, Political Science: Yes, is it the Senate leadership’s intent and understanding that no matter what version, if any, of the post-tenure review proposals will not reduce process at all that’s due upon the finding of cause nor will there be any increase in the number of causes for which a faculty member might be dismissed?

 

Dr. Bailey: Can I ask you to identify yourself for the record, please?

 

Dr. Cliff Perry, Political Science: Sure-Cliff Perry, deadwood, petrified wood-I have no idea which department I’m in…

 

Dr. Bailey: My understanding is that any post-tenure review model that I can imagine the Senate leadership and the Steering Committee developing or that I can imagine John Heilman developing would not increase the issues, the causes, the criteria that might lead to dismissal activities.  I’m absolutely confident of that.

 

Dr. Perry: In the process due upon some allegations satisfying a cause for dismissal, the process due will not be altered, will not be reduced?

 

Dr. Bailey: Well, the post-tenure review models that we’ve been developing increase processes, in fact, such that there may be at the college level a review, if there are post-tenure review packets that are developed in whatever form, there will be perhaps a college level review committee that would make a determination of whether a post-tenure review needs to go forward.  There could very well be an appeal body that’s in one of the models, I think both models actually, there would be an appeal body to which someone who felt that their evaluation was mistaken could appeal.  And then ultimately there are grievance policies that could be followed.  So certainly there would not be any reduction or diminution of process; in fact, we’re going to be adding process which resonates perhaps very well, but also if we’re talking about efficiency of time at the university and how we spend our time, there may be some transaction costs associated with that, and it’s our job as faculty to determine if these are costs well spent.

 

Dr. Perry: And this might also actually obtain with any kind of reduction in pay or any kind of draconian measures that are meant to be punitive, like reduction in rank, reduction in pay and all the rest.

 

Dr. Bailey: Yes, I’m sure that we would have appeal processes built into that where that could be reviewed.  Now there’s no direct connection between what we’ve been talking about on this campus, between post-tenure review and dismissal.  An unsuccessful post-tenure review process identifies problems and over a period of two-three years, an individual faculty member makes no progress that is not an automatic trigger for a dismissal process under any model that we’re conceiving of at this campus.  I should tell you however draft policy at AUM has that trigger mechanism and I’m very worried about that, as is the chair of the faculty senate at AUM.

 

Dr. Perry: And just one last question, what will be your response if that kind of proposal is introduced to you as this part of the senate leadership?

 

Dr. Bailey: Opposition.

 

Dr. Judy Lechner, Educational FLT: To the extent that my faculty colleagues expressed a preference, they certainly preferred not a trigger mechanism.  But one of my colleagues brought up an interesting issue, which actually dovetails with Holly Stadler’s concept of checks and balances, that if we did have post-tenure review committees, it’s through the process that has to be very carefully drawn up and I’m just going to read what she had said: “A well structured process has the potential to extend the abuse of junior faculty if the reviewers are willing to address such issues in the yearly evaluation of senior faculty.  It therefore has the potential to protect the intellectual and political autonomy of junior faculty.  If it is not structured to address such issues, the structure has the potential to extend the hazing process of the newest faculty and for the senior faculty who are not considered part of whatever ‘group’ exists in the various departments.”

 

So she really was expressing the idea that somehow, if the process itself has to be very carefully, and I’ve read what the Steering Committee has proposed, has to be very carefully drawn up to include some kind of safeguards and to see that the senior faculty don’t just harass the junior faculty but that’s part of the evaluation.

 

Dr. Bailey: Thank you.

 

Dr. Lechner: By the way, I do want to express something else from my own personal point of view.  In an amalgamated department or a college with many different strands of philosophy and thought-and my department happens to be that way-what constitutes as productivity for some members is not what would be constituted as productivity for others because some put out books that take years to produce and other put out journal articles that are the preferred mode of communication and so that’s another issue to consider.

 

Dr. Bailey: That’s one of the reasons why in our debates within Steering Committee we’ve thought that possibly the college level or school review process would be more appropriate than a department.

 

Dr. Lechner: I agree, but even within the college, there’s quite a variation.

 

Dr. Bailey: I’m a sociologist in the College of Agriculture and I understand your point.  Are there any other people before Dr. Tuzun wishes to make a comment or to speak?  Dr. Tuzun.

 

Dr Sadik Tuzun, Entomology & Plant Pathology: Well, I know that this is my turf time.  I absolutely agree with this.  Even with a department, even within a discipline, there is very different thinking.  Some people like to publish fewer but lengthy articles to keep their academic name in high standards.  Some prefer to publish shorter, but many more articles.  There cannot be set criteria to access each faculty member for performance of each faculty member, such as books.  Now I would like to say one thing, I really appreciate John Heilman-and I know him for almost 15 years now since I came and I worked with him on many committees-and I truly believe we have a Provost who’s very, very faculty-oriented and oriented to protect the faculty’s best interests.  So I fully trust John and John will do everything to protect the rights of the faculty.  My concern is that if we make a statement to both, one day just open up the subject, can we stop this?  I mean, the Board will get excited and they will want something.  I wonder if it will be better if, instead of giving a presentation at this time to Board, if John tells them that we are studying other universities, institutions-because that’s true.  This is a very important point and senate leadership are studying various models and discussion is going on and delay the report on that, if Richardson agrees.

 

Dr. Bailey: Sadik, may I interject that I take very seriously the comments that Dr. Brunner made about the Michigan State model and I for one am not sufficiently familiar with it.  She and her department commit it to our attention; Steering Committee will look at this.  We may have a third model conceivably to bring forward.  This is such an important topic-we’re talking about academic freedom and we’re talking about tenure, that any rush to a decision is unwise and will not be supported by the senate leadership.  Neither are we going to drag our heels in some manner that puts this off until we’re all retired.  That’s not our intent either.  We’re taking this on seriously, carefully, with as much opportunity for discussion among faculty as we can without boring people to tears.  I’m gratified by the fact that so many people-its 5:30-and all you people are still here.  Thank you very much.  Are there other people wishing to make comments?  If not, then I’m going to take the prerogative of the chair and call us adjourned.  Thank you very much.