Auburn University Senate Meeting

April 8, 2003

3:00 p.m.

 

 

Members Absent:  Barbara Struempler, Immediate Past Chair; Ted Tyson, Biosys Engineering; David Bransby, Agronomy & Soils; Werner Bergen, Animal Sciences; Robert Norton, Poultry Science; Robert Ripley, Aviation Mgmt & Log; Joseph Buckhalt, Couns & Couns Psy; Karen Rabren, Rehab and Special Education; James Guin, Chemical Engineering; Brian Bowman, Civil Engineering; Richard Good, Music; Christa Slaton, Political Science; Paul Starr, Socio/Anthro/Social Work; Marllin Simon, Physics; Ralph Henderson, Vet Clinical Sci;  John J. Pittari, Jr., Architecture; Scott Fuller, Building Sciences; Daowei Zhang, Forestry & Wildlife Science; Thomas Smith, Human Development/Family Studies; John Rowe, Nursing; Jack DeRuiter, Pharmacal Sciences; Kem Krueger, Pharmacy Care Sys; Jesse LaPrade, Cooperative Extension Service; James Bannon, Agri Experiment Station; Thomas White, Air Force ROTC; CPT Ted McMurtrie, Navy ROTC; Don Large, VP for Business/Finance; Wes Williams, VP for Student Affairs; Dean June Henton, College of Human Sciences; Interim Dean Rebekah Pindzola, College of Liberal Arts; Dean Larry Benefield, Samuel Ginn College of Engineering; Interim Dean John Jahera, College of Business; Kathy Harmon, A&P Assembly Chair.

 

Members Absent (Substitute): Curtis Jolly (Norbert Wilson), Ag Econ & Rural Soc; Dennis DeVries (John Grizzle), Fisheries & Allied Aqu; James Kaminsky (Susan Bannon), Leadership & Technology; Emmett Winn (Julie Huff), Comm/Journalism; Joe Cherry (Roland Dute), Biological Sciences; Tin-Man Lau (Rich Britnell), Industrial Design; Douglas White (Robin Fellers), Nutrition and Food Science . 

 

The meeting was called to order at 3:00 p.m. by the chair, John Mouton.

 

Call to Order

 

John Mouton, Chair of the Senate:  I would like to call the meeting to order – I apologize for the false start. The first item that is listed on the agenda is the Approval of the Minutes.  The minutes of the last meeting were just posted today. There has not been enough time for people to review them. So, we are going to pass on the approval of the minutes for today, and we agree to bring it back up at the next Senate meeting on May 6 – when we will also have the minutes from today’s meeting. The first item under Announcements is the announcements from the President’s Office. Acting Provost John Pritchett will come to handle that.

 

Announcements

 

John F. Pritchett, Acting Provost:  Thank you so much, John. We have four things we would like to share with you today. John [Mouton] had indicated, and Paula [Sullenger] also, they would like the status as far as the national searches in those areas that we currently have interim deans. That is the College of Agriculture and Director of the Alabama Agricultural Experiment Stations; the College of Liberal Arts, the College of Education, the College of Business. All of those search committees have been finalized. The Provost Office has arranged the initial meeting date for each of those committees to come together and handle the organizational pieces before they go forward. The specific search committee in the College of Agriculture met this morning. That search committee elected its own chair. It generally started work in so far as the job description is concerned and put together the strategy for which they are going to follow in the national search. Each of the other three search committees will elect their own chair, and we will make certain that each committee has administrative support to do the necessary background work to support the activities of the search committee as a whole. So, are there any questions on the four search committees that we have underway at this time? Conner?

 

Conner Bailey, Steering Committee:  Dr. Pritchett, I understand from the College of Ag that they have met, but they are going to postpone taking any action other than developing a job description pending conclusion, do I understand that correctly?, of the search for our new Provost. 

 

Pritchett:  That was not the plan – essentially, Dr. Walker wanted to move the search for Provost ahead at such time – or so that you would have a new person identified for that office – prior to short-listing individuals for those four deans’ positions.  I would visualize short lists, at the earliest, for the deans’ positions coming forward in the fall – and that is even before interviews. Hopefully, Dr. Walker will have made a decision as far as the Provost position prior to that.  That was the whole reason for staggering the process. But, my charge to the committee is to move ahead expeditiously.

 

Bailey:  You may want to clarify that with Dr. Brinker. I did not speak with him, but I received a note from our departmental representative indicating that was the timing.

 

Pritchett:  The charge I gave the group this morning was move together expeditiously, realizing though the magnitude of the task. Certainly, there should be a decision on the Provost search prior to short-listing deans candidates.

 

The second issue that John and Paula asked me to address a little bit: we have received the preliminary information now on faculty salary adjustments for the current fiscal year. Sam’s [Lowther] office has not yet had a chance to break it down into the finest detail, but I do have some information for you here – and then, John , hopefully at the next meeting we can give you a complete breakdown by unit. University-wide our salaries moved from 88% last year of the regional average to 95% of the regional average in so far as full professors. For associate professors, we moved university-wide from 91 to 98% of the regional average. For assistant professors, we moved from 88% to 94%, but, please bear in mind that those are university-wide averages. We have many academic units on our campus that now meet or exceed the regional average in one or all categories.  We have some units that are now 102 or 103% of the regional average. So, I think we did a lot of good moves as far as the regional average from last year is concerned. Dr. Walker has pledged this year that he hopes to make up the additional ground. Are there any questions on the salary information?

 

John and Paula asked me to say a little bit about enrollments projected for this coming fall. We have been working very hard on this since this past June. Of course, you will remember that we had almost 4,200 new freshmen this past year, which exceeded our capacity to take care of those students and we had to put in some truly heroic measures to handle that. Let’s don’t forget that many of those students are still with us, and we have to take care of their needs for their second, third, and fourth years.  I put into place an Enrollment Management Oversight group to work with Dr. Williams’ people and ensuring that we hold enrollments within manageable limits.  The recommendation of that group is, we shoot for a target of about 3,700 new freshmen for this coming year. That is slightly below what we have averaged for the past three years -- this immediate past year excluded. The projections at this point in time range from 3725 to around 3800 new freshmen.  One thing I will point out is after we were shutting down enrollments for this coming year, we had a rash of highly qualified applicants, probably individuals who had indicated Auburn as being a second choice rather than a first choice. A large number of these students presented high school grade point averages of 3.4, 3.5 and ACT scores of 28 and 29. The decision was, in so far as possible, to admit these high ability students.  So, John, we are still hoping for a best case scenario which will be between 3700-3750.  The final measure of this will be Camp War Eagle registrations. We are starting to get preliminary information on that now, and that is running slightly behind where we were last year at this point in time.

 

The last thing that John asked me to talk a little bit about is the upcoming SACS Review this fall.  What I would like to ask Linda Glaze to do , since she is one of the coordinators of the overall effort . Linda, if you could share the general schedule and any other questions that anyone might have.

 

Linda Glaze, Chair, Core Curriculum Oversight Committee:  Okay.  Do you want me to come …?

 

Mouton:  Please.

 

Glaze:   During … can you hear me?  During Spring Break, I received notification from our liaison officer that they have rescheduled the visit for the fall and the days we’ve got now are October 12 – that’s a Sunday – they will be on campus Monday and Tuesday, and they give the report on Wednesday morning.  Normally, how they work, and I’m basing this based on their handbook and also the fact that last year I served as a member of a site team that went to the University of Kentucky.  On that site visit on the Sunday that they come, they will have an organizational meeting, pretty much that’s all they do. Then on Monday is the major time that they will ask for the interviews. They tell us who they want to interview based on the self-study report or anything that they may have gleaned that’s out on our web-site. They study the university.  On Wednesday, they will do their final interview, and probably just in the morning … that’s been my experience. They have to have their final report written before they leave. So, Tuesday will be spent, and probably pulling an all-nighter to finish up, and then on Wednesday morning, the committee will meet with the President and with whomever else he decides. That’s what their manual says – to give the final report – and they will leave probably early morning. Basically you leave as soon as you give the report and go out of town. As far as the final version of the report we sent, we used University Printing, and then as you all know, University Printing closed down, but we just finally got the final report.  I got my copy today – I didn’t have a copy – and I’ve asked our graphic designer to provide me with the CD with the final draft that’s in the report on it so we can post it to the web at the end of the week. He promised me he’d bring it to me Thursday. So, I have been waiting on that because what I had was not final, and I did not put out on the web something that is not actual final copy.  And there were changes that were made from what you all saw – or what the campus saw – in the fall and what is final in the report. That’s where we’re at. Are there any questions? Conner?

 

Bailey:  Will there be a password or any other difficulties that we would encounter wanting to gain access to the exact report when it is on the web?

 

Glaze:  I don’t think so – we learned the last time.

 

Bailey: … And in the report that will be put on the web, will there be responses to the comments? The comments that various of us submitted on the draft, will they be available on the web – or is it only the committee’s responses to those? How will our…?

 

Glaze:  Okay, what we did, what happened is, the committee revised the draft that was out on the web. They revised on 6.1, and one of the things that was determined is for those, I guess I would call them “Letters of Comments” that were received, they were directed to Gene [Clothiaux]  that were received by the Steering Committee.  They are going to be – they are referenced in the resources that will be available for the visiting committee, and they will be available for the person who is assigned to read that section and write that response. So, those responses will – those comments – based on the comments that were basically spelling and editorial in nature (we had wrong names of colleges and schools) – those were made directly into the text. But those which the Steering Committee decided not to incorporate as in the text – it’s not really a response – they will be available …  in the … what we call the resource or the visiting [Inaudible] and that ‘s referenced in the list of sources.  John?

 

Mouton:  Who’s the chairperson for the committee?

 

Glaze:  I don’t know yet. That information is, goes through Dr. Walker.  Mainly, I was, I needed to have some dates so we could reserve the hotel reservations because I was worried about fall, for obvious reasons.

 

Mouton:  Dr. Pritchett.

 

Judy Sheppard, Steering Committee:  A couple of questions for Dr. Pritchett.

 

Mouton:  Oh, I’m sorry. Dr. Pritchett.

 

Sheppard:  I was going to ask if you could provide us any information since you’re here for Dr. Walker about the state of the lawsuit and the revision to the Bradley report, and any of that information.  Since it kind of emphasizes that we are in this lawsuit, it would be nice as faculty, students, staff, everyone to be given some of the information – as clients – that we should be receiving.

 

Pritchett:  I understand, Judy. I do not have any information on that piece of it. Is Lee Armstrong here? I was asked a similar question about two meetings ago, and my office is just not into that piece of it.  If Lee were here, he may be able to address it, but I don’t see him.

 

Mouton:  I communicated by email with Jim Bradley, who’s chair of the JAC.  I was going to include it in my remarks. Evidently, SACS made inquiries into three areas in this regard, and all Jim could tell me was that Mr. Bradley was investigating those three areas – but Jim did not know a timeline. I’ll try to pursue it further before the next meeting , but, I had asked Jim because I think he had contact, perhaps, with SACS.

 

Cindy Brunner, Pathobiology:  Dr. Pritchett, you mentioned that the university had to take extreme measures or emergency measures to accommodate the excess number of freshmen this past year. You mentioned that we are assuming they will be retained. What accommodation is the university making as an emergency measure for these students as they proceed through their second, third, and fourth years at the university?

 

Pritchett:  We are prepared to carry out some of the same strategies as we did last year. The first strategy … deals with giving out, continuing to give out to the existing faculty to take on additional sections of courses as an overload – and be compensated for that overload. We are fully prepared again to go to AUM to recruit faculty from there to come here to teach on an overload basis. But, let me point out that any faculty who come here from AUM are first passed on by our faculty here and approved before they actually take on our classes.  Those were the two strategies we followed this past fall, and they seemed to work pretty well.  We are prepared to do that again for this coming year. Anything else? Thank you, John [Mouton].

 

Mouton:  Thank you, Dr. Pritchett.  Can you hear me in the back? Am I speaking loud enough? Paula [Sullenger] said that I don’t speak loud enough. I’m the fourth of five children – and I think when I was growing up I spoke loud enough. I’ve got a couple of introductions to make starting out. One of the things that we announced in the Senate this past year was that the President had provided resources for us to get some staffing for the Senate. So, we have an Administrative Assistant. Is that the right term? … Cheryl Hulsey. Cheryl, please stand up. Cheryl has joined us just in the past two weeks, and she is working, not full time for us, but, pretty busily for us. So, anyway, we are glad to have her aboard. Is Kathy Harmon here? Kathy is the chair of the A&P Council. I saw Vic – Vic Walker – Vic is the chair of the Staff Council just elected, and as a chair of the Staff Council, of course, is a member of the Senate with us. Jonathan McConnell? Jonathan is the new SGA President and also a member of the Senate. Is Melissa Brooks here? Melissa is the chair of the Graduate Student Council and a member of the Senate. Is Will here? Will Gaither – who is the Vice President of the SGA. So, we welcome you all to join us, and with the exception of Will, we have new members of the Senate.

 

I’ve got a couple of announcements that I want to cover. One of the things is that for our meetings in June and July I’d like to pre notice everybody that we need for the Senators that are not going to be here to see to it that they have the substitute Senators from their department.  We seemed surprised in June of every year that the Board takes action. Let’s don’t be surprised this year, and then in June and July, we need to be able to respond and have a quorum. So, those of you that are planning to be away in June and July please see to it that your department, by the handbook, your department is supposed to select the substitute …the Senator doesn’t select the substitute – the department does, and I would encourage you to perhaps bring them to the May meeting as we start picking up [Inaudible] for the summer.  I might mention something else, everybody please notice that the May meeting is May 6, which is the Tuesday during finals week which is a week early. We moved it up trying to catch more people here. So, the Tuesday of finals week, May 6, is when we will have our next meeting. We have been discussing back and forth, and it had been on the fringes of our meeting here, about the Administrator Evaluations. David Bransby is the chair of the Administrator Evaluations Committee, and we are not going to do Administrator evaluations this year – we will do them next year. We couldn’t quite get to the point that we needed to be this year. 

 

A couple of updates of the Senate and University Committees. The Rules Committee has been meeting. We are going to need some additional volunteers and nominees.  As we distribute out that work, the Senators from selected Colleges where we need assistance, you’ll be contacted by some of the members of the Rules Committee to get us some additional nominees or volunteers for the committees.  As of right now, we’ve got nine of the Senate committees and nine of the University committees completed. 

 

I want to touch on enrollment management a little bit,and those who are around me during lunch get tired of me saying it, but I see some fresh faces here.  I’ve been very, very concerned about enrollment management.  As we [Mouton and Sullenger] went around and visited faculty last year,  and many, many of the various issues … various consequences of the enrollment management came up — and they weren’t all consistent. I asked Dr. Pritchett, and I was actually allowed to sit in on the Enrollment Management Oversight Committee to get a sense not only of  the work they are doing – how the process is now, but hopefully, to be able to make a contribution to the process in the future.  It is the topic of discussion at this afternoon’s meeting, and I’m looking forward to hearing what people have to say because I think it is something that is critical and important to the faculty.  And so, anyway, I don’t think this will be the last time we will actually deal with enrollment management, and I am very much concerned about the fact, Cindy, about what happens to the second year students – we typically have 82% retention so we are talking about over 350 students that are now sophomores and next year will become majors in the various departments of colleges in the university, and I think that we need to … 

 

I want to mention another topic that is near and dear to a lot of people’s hearts – as we visited – and it’s a topic that I’ve coined Academic Day Parking.  Last year we spent a lot of effort on Game Day Parking, and so we have coined the phrase Academic Day Parking. There was an ad hoc committee that met.  They passed, I guess, proposals/proposed changes that I’m going to bring to the Steering Committee meeting tomorrow.  The Steering Committee is meeting twice a month right now trying to get a look at it.  We will bring it to the Steering Committee tomorrow to look at it, and then we talked to Dr. Curtis about coming.  I think Dr. Curtis will probably be coming to our May meeting or our June meeting to actually talk about some of the master planning issues that are going on. There is a discussion about having a pedestrian campus which a lot of faculty are in favor of.  There are issues about how much parking we have, and so, that’s an area where we are going to do some work on – academic parking – and as the Steering Committee sets kind of a course for the Senate, we’ll be coming back to you and hopefully bringing Dr. Curtis in a meeting. 

 

I’ve already made the observation I made a minute ago, I have not dealt with the Richard Bradley investigation.  I will meet with Jim Bradley before the next meeting and see if we can get some updates for this side of the house – if we can’t get it otherwise.

 

I am going to go through something real quickly and I’m actually headed to a specific point. I think a lot of the members of the Senate are not really aware that the Senate Chair and Senate leadership are not just here in front of this meeting infrequently.  Every week I get to sit in an Administrative Council meeting which is the President’s meeting with all the vice presidents and senior administrators who have very enlightened, lively discussions – the President wasn’t here – but we had fun anyway. Really, it’s an opportunity to get the faculty’s voice out.  I did make some observations that I won’t go through in this meeting, but I actually had some senior administrators come up to me later and say, “I’m glad you were there to make that point, because sometimes we lose sight of that.”  The President’s Cabinet meets before each Board meeting to discuss the agenda of the Board meeting. By the way, both the Administrative Council and the President’s Council,both the Senate chair and the Faculty Advisory to the Board, both sit on those two councils. I am also participating in the Budget Advisory Committee which is, I guess, is another enlightening place. I sit ex-officio on the Academic Affairs Committee [of the Board of Trustees], and I’m gonna come back to that … but, anyway, these are opportunities that we have now as a Senate that I’m not sure that we’ve had all along to have our voice at the table … and have representation for the faculty issues.  So, there’s two things that are important. One, it’s a great opportunity for me. The other thing is, I think it’s a great responsibility to understand what the faculty issues are and be able to clearly articulate them in an arena maybe where I make some difference.  I guess now, maybe it was a year and a half ago – or two years ago – as I started considering, Do you want a leadership role in the Senate?  I went and I reread the purpose of the Senate. It says,

 

The University Senate is advisory to the President. In that capacity it is the body having primary concern for the general academic policies of the University, including those involving curricula, programs, standards, faculty appointment, evaluation and development, student academic affairs, and libraries. The University Senate is also concerned with issues that affect all members of the University community, such as the budget, employee welfare programs, the calendar, and facilities.

 

One of the things we have the opportunity to do in addition the meetings I just referenced is that the leadership meets weekly with the Provost and monthly or twice a month with the President -- depending on our needs and our wishes and at his discretion.  I think probably in the short term that I have been Chair of the University Senate, the best opportunity I had was last Thursday. The Academic Affairs Committee appears to me, that is the Board’s Academic Affairs Committee, to have some seriousness about understanding the academic issues of the university, and raising the visibility of the academic operations. So, what Dr. Pritchett and Dr. McFarland have done is they have developed a concept of doing workshops with the committee before they start doing committee work — actually start showing them the university — helping them understand the university in the light in which they need to see it.  I sit ex-officio on that, but then I have an opportunity to sit at the table. At one point in time, we got into a pretty good discussion about the roles and responsibilities of faculty. I asked for the opportunity over the next several workshops to do some presentations – to try to shed a better light on the Board’s understanding of what kind of contributions faculty make.  It was well-received, and we actually had some debate and interaction where I asked the chair of the committee to actually explain what kind of work he did, because I don’t think we understand them any better than they understand us, and vice versa. I think what happens is that one of the opportunities that really exist for us, if we can be prudent about it, is to try to better their understanding of who we are and maybe make it more difficult for some of the offhanded comments that we have gotten through the years. 

 

There are two other things that I want to touch on real quickly. Marcia Boosinger, Paula [Sullenger], Willie [Larkin], and I are going May 1and 2 to the SEC Conference on Governance and Athletics. It’s being put on by the Faculty Governance Collaborative, a group from the SEC. The commission of the SEC will be there, as well as the President of the NCAA. In October, I will go to, and I’m sure some of these folks will attend, the AAUP-NCAA Conference in Indianapolis. I’ve been working with Don Large, and I think it’s probably going to be presented at our June meeting – but I’ve been working with Don Large on an issue that I think will be titled “Athletics and the General Fund.”  Conner, it stimulates the questions that you’ve asked several times.  I’ve been pushing back on this … and on us … really getting a look at it.  Whatever the answer is, let’s get it clarified and help us understand [INAUDIBLE]. I’m hoping that maybe at the June meeting, I’d originally hoped for the May meeting, but this SEC meeting has detained it.

 

Finally, I want to conclude my remarks with an observation.  Right after we took office, Paula [Sullenger] and I hosted some lunches.  I guess it was five lunches, we had 37 Senators come in small groups and sit around and chat about the things that we are interested in.  I learned a great deal and picked up a lot.   When fall starts we will start doing that again. So those of you that we missed somehow will get an invitation to have the opportunity to participate.  We are at the one month mark, 28 days now, I’d be glad to entertain any comments of questions anybody might have.

 

We are going to move to the Action Items.  The next action item – let me give you the justification for this – we are right now trying to get our committees for next year staffed. A few weeks ago we were approached by Linda Glaze, who is the chairperson of the Curriculum Oversight Committee, Core Curriculum Oversight Committee, and there are some needs determined by the committee. Actually, to change the composition to that committee.  We would like to get the Senate to look at it. If we can make a decision on it today, we can do the staffing next week. If we decide not to pass on it, we re-staff as it’s currently designated. The sense of urgency in bringing it to the Senate was to either staff it as it is now or make the changes before next year. So, Linda, please come.

 

 

Linda Glaze, Core Curriculum Oversight Committee Chair:  I met with John [Mouton] and Paula [Sullenger] and Willie [Larkin] about two or three weeks ago. This is not a rash decision – this is something I have been thinking about over a long period of time.  I’ve chaired this committee for the Senate ever since I have been in the office, and I’ve served with different, varying groups.  Last fall, I posed to the current membership, now that they, and many of them had been with me a while because my previous committee I had asked for them to serve an extra year. I asked them whether they felt this committee – given what we our meetings were concerned with – whether we should enlarge the committee. That was their recommendation and the breakdown in terms of increasing the size of the committee was recommended by the faculty members who currently serve on that committee.  As I put in the justification, the reason for this change is partly the charge of this committee was established when the core was just being put into place, and many of the issues of the charge I can give you the old one [Charge] … the parts that are struck. The charge reflected the fact that the Core was new and they were really looking at implementation issues. So, basically there are two issues. One – to reflect the need that we have to have a faculty committee whose charge is to principally look at the assessment and evaluation of the Core Curriculum. Then also, to have a body that is large enough that not only represents the units that offer the courses, but also responds to the units whose students study in the Core...because the Core forms about one-third of the student’s degree.  So that’s the basic justification, and this would be the final charge. I can answer any questions that you have later.

 

Proposed new charge for Core Curriculum Oversight Committee

Section 11. Core Curriculum Oversight Committee: The Core Curriculum Oversight Committee shall consist of the Provost or designee as chair, and eleven faculty members, to be distributed as follows: There shall be seven representatives from the core areas: 1) composition or literature 2) fine arts 3) history 4) mathematics 5) natural sciences 6) philosophy 7) social sciences. In addition, there shall be one representative from the faculty of the University Libraries and three representatives, selected from colleges or schools that are not represented by the seven core areas. The Director of Assessment shall serve as a non-voting, ex officio member of the committee. The committee shall have the responsibility of recommending educational goals for the Core Curriculum and monitoring the effectiveness of the Core in fostering student achievement of those goals. Toward this end, the committee shall oversee the assessment of student learning in the Core, including the evaluation of courses, and may recommend changes in the Core Curriculum, including the admission or deletion of courses and other changes to the Core.

Glaze:  So, I’m requesting these changes to the Faculty Handbook because this is in fact basically what the Core Committee has been doing during the past four or five years, basically in preparation for the SACS Visit, because general education is perceived as if it is a degree program. In other words, we have to present information on the assessment of the Core, just as you all have to provide assessment data on individual degree programs. 

 

Mouton:  Linda …

Paula Sullenger, Secretary:  She needs to move it.

Glaze:  I move acceptance of this change to the charge and structure of the committee.

Mouton:  We don’t need a second because Linda is the committee chair and this was brought to the Senate by the committee. So, we’ll open it up for discussion and questions. Jim.

 

Jim Gravois, Library:  I am a new member of this group. I’ve read this, and I don’t see any particular problems with it. I’m wondering, though, I’m not involved that much with some of these Core groups – but I’m wondering why this might not be a good idea, or if there are issues from people with the Core departments?

 

Mouton:  Jon.

Jon Bolton, English:  I’m one such person. Jon Bolton, English Department.  My colleagues really don’t have any concern about the majority of changes. They, though, do see the possibility that additional members for departments outside the Core could potentially be hostile to some Core requirement. Especially if they have the power to delete Core courses.  I think that is the main concern in our department.

 

Glaze:  If you read the wording, it doesn’t say that they have the power to delete – they have the power to recommend.  And so any decision would be brought to this body to make changes in the Core, because it does reflect, it is part of every single degree program on campus.  I do believe, I’m originally from the Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures, and the operative word is “Literatures” so my department does participate in the instruction of the Core. But I do, coming from that perspective, I do believe that this committee needs to be responsive to the rest of the campus. So, I do feel that by presenting and having representation by those units that provide the instruction, we need to have a real voice on that committee of those departments – and that’s the majority of departments on campus – whose students are required to take these courses. We’ve always had some representative, I see, I think Charlie’s back there ... hey, Charlie [Gross]. We’ve always had some representation from outside – from what I’d call a non-Core department. That doesn’t mean that they are necessarily hostile – in some ways, they are very, very supportive. But, I think the committee needs to be responsive to what Auburn University students need.

 

Mouton:  Steve.

Stephen McFarland, Acting VP/Dean, Graduate School:  Linda, that last sentence ... you said something just a couple of seconds ago in answer to his question Bolton’s question – that is not there ... and that is “It may recommend changes in the Core Curriculum.”  You said ... just a few seconds ago “to the Senate.”  Is that something that should be specified in the resolution?

 

Linda Glaze:  I guess the way the committee works is that the recommendation – anything that comes out of the committee – Academic Standards ... I don’t know if it states in the Handbook ... I’d have to look.  Recommendations always come through this body, then go to the Provost, and then go to the President – because everything is advisory to the President.  So, I don’t know that ... I have no objection that it needs that approval ... but that’s ... anything that comes out of Standards, I know, follows that.  The only committee that I work with, and I know this – or we would never do anything – is the University Curriculum Committee basically, is charged to make these changes … I would perceive ... and that’s why we worded this recommendation – that a change in the university Core is sort of like a Standards change … so it doesn’t – it’s not the action of that committee. So, that’s the way I’ve always perceived all university or Senate committees working. If it affects the entire campus, then it comes to this body and then gets the sign-off by the Provost and President. You might want to check the wording ... I have no objection to that, but that’s the normal route for changes ... of that magnitude. 

 

John Mouton:  I defer to Paula [Sullenger].

Sullenger:  I haven’t been able to find the Core in the Handbook, but that’s not a surprise.

 

McFarland:  I will say – and the reason I am saying this is – some of you will remember this after we created the Core ... I remember Marcia Boosinger, in fact, standing up here and very dramatically saying, “Anything that affects the Core has got to come through the Senate.” So, if you will, the founding fathers and mothers ... if I can use that analogy ... made a very distinct point about all ... anything ... that affects the core would come to the Senate.  I just raise that issue because I think – hearing that fear – we might want to include that statement. It would certainly take care of Michael’s [sic] concern about changes versus deletions that would come through this body.

 

Glaze:  Sure. I have no . . .

Sullenger:  Someone needs to make a motion at this point.

 McFarland:  Okay. I’ll move the friendly amendment if that is all right.

Glaze:  Where do you want that?

McFarland:  Well, I was hoping you would help me with that.  It’s kind of tough there with several clauses ... recommend “to the Senate – University Senate – changes in the Core Curriculum”

 

Gravois:  Subject to approval by …?

Glaze:  That was the intent of the wording.

McFarland:  I know it was . . .

Glaze:  But, it is fine to have that explicit.

Mouton:  Any other comments or questions? Okay, if you are ready to vote. Paula [Sullenger], would you read the revised motion?

 

Paula Sullenger:  Okay.  The Core Curriculum Oversight Committee shall consist of the Provost or designee as chair, and eleven faculty members, to be distributed as follows: There shall be seven representatives from the core areas: 1) composition or literature 2) fine arts 3) history 4) mathematics 5) natural sciences 6) philosophy 7) social sciences. In addition, there shall be one representative from the faculty of the University Libraries and three representatives, selected from colleges or schools that are not represented by the seven core areas. The Director of Assessment shall serve as a non-voting, ex officio member of the committee. The committee shall have the responsibility of recommending educational goals for the Core Curriculum and monitoring the effectiveness of the Core in fostering student achievement of those goals. Toward this end, the committee shall oversee the assessment of student learning in the Core, including the evaluation of courses, and may recommend to the University Senate changes in the Core Curriculum, including the admission or deletion of courses and other changes to the Core.

 

John Mouton:  All in favor signify by saying Aye.

Senate:  Aye.

John Mouton:  Opposed – Nay. (No Nay’s) The motion passes. Thank you.

We have a resolution ... I am going to ask Conner Bailey to come up, as a member of the Steering Committee … resolution was provided by the Steering Committee. 

 

Conner Bailey, Steering Committee:  Resolution regarding the Auburn University Trustee Selection Committee ... some of you may remember the nominating committee for the trustees put forward two nominations ... Neil Christopher, medical doctor, and Elmer Harris, ex-CEO of Alabama Power.  Both nominations were forwarded to the State Senate and were rejected by the Senate Confirmation Committee. A third nomination was pending, but has not yet taken place. The intent of a couple of individuals on the nominating committee was to nominate an African-American forester from [Inaudible] named Jerry Smith, but that nomination has not gone forth to the Confirmation Committee.  So, those ... we are back to square one with no nominations and the concern was that the State Senate might not take any action and therefore the three trustees whose terms have expired would continue on for another year. It’s in response to that scenario that the Steering Committee presents the following resolution:

 

Resolved, That the Auburn University Senate calls upon Governor Riley, as Chair of the Auburn University Trustee Selection Committee, to convene the committee to expeditiously complete the identification and selection of three nominees to serve on the Auburn University Board of Trustees so that action can be taken by the Alabama State Senate’s Confirmation Committee and the Alabama State Senate during the current legislative term; and

 

Resolved, That the Auburn University Senate urges the Auburn University Trustee Selection Committee to give due consideration to all candidates in order to identify nominees who, as a group, satisfy the need for diversity of race, gender, and expertise to serve on the Auburn University Board of Trustees.

 

Copies will be sent to the Members of the Trustee Selection Committee. 

 

Bailey:  I move adoption of this resolution.

Mouton:  We don’t need a second because it comes from the Steering Committee.  Do we have any comments or questions? Hearing none, we will go ahead and vote on this resolution. All in favor signify by saying Aye.

 

Senate:  Aye.

Mouton:  Opposed – Nay.  (No Nays) The resolution carries. 

 

I am very happy to get to this part of today’s agenda.  Keenan Grenell, who is the Interim ... I guess ... Associate Provost for Multicultural Affairs has been invited to the Senate a couple of time to make a presentation, and we’ve not quite gotten him and today we have. Dr. Grenell.

 

Keenan Grenell, Interim Assistant Provost for Office of Diversity & Multi-Cultural Affairs: Good afternoon.  Can everyone hear me? It is indeed a pleasure to once again have an opportunity to speak to Auburn University’s faculty.  During my fall address, I mentioned several initiatives that were underway to make Auburn an all inclusive environment in which diversity and multiculturalism are a visible part of Auburn’s culture.  Today, I would just like to take a few moments to give you an update.

 

Update

 

1.         The weekend of November 1-3, 2002, Auburn University held its first ever Native American Festival.  The three day long event was attended by several area schools who sent bus loads of children seeking information and wanting to learn more about Native American Culture.  The Festival allowed for the start of a new beginning of relationship building between Auburn and Native Americans.

 

2.         On January 14, 2003 we had the grand opening of the Center for Diversity and Race Relations.  As part of the gala affair we invited Julian Bond, long time civil rights champion and current chair of the Board of Directors for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.  Julian challenged us during the dedication ceremony and the open lecture to make diversity a reality at Auburn.  As an Auburn family, we can all be proud of this new center and its potential.

 

3.         On January 20, 2003, which is the recognized Martin Luther King Jr. holiday, Auburn University held the First Annual Henry Harris Memorial Basketball Classic.  However, the Classic was more than just an opportunity for eight area high school and sixteen teams to showcase their talents, it was an event that allowed many of Auburn’s colleges to set up information tables on the Concourse in the Coliseum with the intention of attracting students and parents attending the Classic to their tables to get information on academic opportunities available at Auburn.  According to a sports columnist with the Montgomery Advertiser, “Universities and Colleges in Montgomery need to seriously consider stealing Auburn’s idea, not for basketball, but as a mechanism to attract potential students, especially minority students to take a look at the academic opportunities the schools have to offer.”

 

4.         Paperwork has been submitted to the appropriate curriculum committees to establish an Africana Studies minor.  For many of us, this has been a ten year struggle to get to this point.  I am proud to say that the efforts of the late Doris Ford and the efforts of Wayne Flynt and recent initiatives of Tony Carey have not been in vain.  To get us to this point, we solicited the wisdom of Dr. Lucius Outlaw, Director of the African-American Studies Program at Vanderbilt University and Dr. Maulana Karenga, author of the most widely read text in Black Studies to assist us with this project.  Both visits to campus proved fruitful in our conceptualization for the minor.

 

5.         On February 7, 2003 Kevin Clayton of Clayton and Associates made a presentation to AU’s Board of Trustees outlining a short list of strategic initiatives.  And, during the meeting, Alabama’s new Governor suggested that Auburn be much more proactive in efforts to make diversity a way of life.

           

Immediate Transformation Plan

To get a handle on Auburn’s extremely complex diversity scheme and assist with structuring a system that is more manageable, more easily understood in terms of who’s doing what in the name of diversity, and a system that clearly spells out accountability which will ultimately clear a visible path to engage in assessment.  Late next month, I will be attending a conference of my peers at Ohio State University.  For me, I have one simple goal in mind, not to be the laughing stock of those in attendance because what we’re doing at Auburn is confusing and makes no sense among smart people. I want to hold my head up high and boldly talk about the new course that we have legitimately charted. 

 

Future Transformation Plans

1.         Assist AU Colleges with establishing Assistant/and or Associate Dean Level Positions in each Dean’s Office using Dr. Dennis Weatherby’s appointment in the College of Engineering and Dr. Overtoun Jenda’s appointment in the College of Science and Math as models.

 

2.         Assist the University with expanding its international education opportunities by developing solid relationships with five South African universities and universities in the Caribbean.  This initiative is directly tied to the Africana Studies minor.  During Spring Break I took ten students and three faculty members to South Africa.  It is safe to say this trip was a life altering experience for both students and faculty.  At Auburn, we have to work overtime to expose our students to other cultures, other ways of life and broaden their protected co- existence.  For instance, one of the five white students who went on the trip to South Africa had a discussion in private with someone else on the trip regarding their parents perception of Blacks in general.  According to this student, their parents believe that most blacks are lazy, uneducated, and basically only good enough to engage in low paying jobs.  However, I wonder what they shared with Mom and Dad last Sunday regarding the opportunity to meet the Vice Chancellors at:

 

            1.         The University of the Western Cape

            2.         The University of Cape Town

            3.         Cape Technikon

            4.         Penisula Technikon

 

All four Vice Chancellors are Black.  I wonder if this student got a chance to tell Mom and Dad about meeting Gayle Kaylor who is Harvard trained and the Chief Director of Policy and Strategic Management in the Office of the Premier for the Western Cape Province.  My question is how many Auburn students come from homes that socialize them into thinking racist about people of color.

 

3.         Work through the African American Recruitment and Retention Committee to create administrative opportunities campus wide.

 

4.         As part of my overall re-engineering efforts, develop a stronger Minority Student Support Services Component in the Office of Diversity and Multi-Cultural Affairs to assist the Administration in its attempt to retain minority students and make sure they are academically successful while at Auburn.

                                               

5.         Take leadership on the tough issues such as sexual orientation, expansion of religious inclusion, AU’s Greek system, and Minority and Women Businesses Enterprise Opportunities.  While we are engaging in big picture thinking there are some serious realities that make the attainment of our diversity goals crucial.  When we compare ourselves to certain SEC member schools in terms of diversity among students Auburn is not competitive.

 

Miss. State Univ.                                             African-American                                19%

Univ. of S. Carolina                                         African-American                                18%

Univ. of Alabama                                             African-American                                15%

Univ. of Miss.                                                   African-American                                13%

Univ. of Florida                                                Hispanic                                              11%


 


 



We are competitive with:

 

Univ. of Tennessee                                         African-American                                7%

Auburn University                                            African-American                                7%

Univ. of Arkansas                                            African-American                                6%

Univ. of Kentucky                                            African-American                                6%

Univ. of Georgia                                              African-American                                5%

 

We need to be real careful in being compared to the University of Georgia because there is a hefty price to pay.  A month ago I saw an e-mail message regarding an Atlanta Journal newspaper story of a prospective African-American student’s experience at the University of Georgia.  It seems that this student changed their mind about attending Georgia because they saw very few Blacks during their campus visit.  How many African-American, Hispanic, Asian, and Native American visitors change their minds about Auburn because they feel disconnected the very moment they arrive on campus.  It should be our collective goal as an Auburn family to outreach to prospective minority students with an environment that will make them feel welcomed.  No counselor at a predominantly minority high school should ever question whether Auburn University wants their students.  No minority high school student attending a summer program should have to say that their summer experience at Auburn was an eerie feeling.                                                                       

 

At Auburn, we’re at a fork in the road.  We have a chance to adequately compete for top notch minority students.  We have a chance to hire top notch minority faculty and administrators.  We have a chance to remove the glass ceiling at Auburn for women and minorities.  We have a chance to make people who study, teach, and work at Auburn feel comfortable regardless of their race, gender, religion, disability and sexual orientation.  We have a chance to be the “Best Education in the Land.”

                                                           

On the other hand, if we fail to take the path toward a new day of glory and prosperity, and we’re only concerned about outshining other SEC member schools with regards to the revenue generating sports, then the perception will be that Auburn represents the same old approach to doing business.  I want the newspaper articles to read that in addition to being a national leader in research, teaching, and outreach, Auburn’s atmosphere enhances minority recruitment. 

           

However, creating the atmosphere is not and cannot be the job of the Administration alone.  The faculty has an active role responsibility.  Faculty should take active and visible leadership in diversity issues.  According to a recent published American Council on Education report entitled “The Continuing Significance of Racism: U.S. Colleges and Universities, there are several continuing issues in higher education:

 

1.         Campus Climate Issues

 

2.         Feeling “Out of Place” (on campus as a person of color)

 

3.         The Painful Reality of Stereotyping

             (unintended sexist and racists remarks that really hurt)

 

4.         Questioning Abilities

      (“Did that Hispanic or Black student really produce that quality paper?”)

                                               

5.         Spokesperson for the Race

      (Putting the entire race on the shoulders of students, faculty and administrators of color.)

                                   

6.         Encountering Racism Off Campus

(Auburn business owners and their treatment of Black students and attitudes of Auburn citizens of people who are different.)

 

7.         Questioning and Challenging Black Professors

            (Outright disrespect by students and even peers.)

 

However, the report goes on to say that there are solutions to address these problems:

 

1.         Improve the Campus Climate

2.         Dramatically Expand Education on Racism

3.         Recruit More Faculty and Staff of Color

4.         Recruit More Students of Color

5.         Expand Mentoring Programs, and

6.         Develop Family, School, and Community Partnerships

                                                           

However, I am going to ask Auburn’s faculty to go an extra few miles.  I want Auburn’s faculty to be proactive in the name of diversity in terms of  who gets distinguished lectureships, who gets alumni professorships, who gets named department chair, who gets named Dean and etc. who gets creative research awards, and most importantly, who gets tenured and promoted. In an era of growing concerns regarding assessment, we can legitimately measure success in these areas.  In addition, the faculty should encourage the Administration to create a program with incentives to transform curriculums that are reflective of our changing global society.  Only then can our students truly walk across the stage during graduation as whole people. 

 

I remember as a small child growing up in the Mississippi Delta during the turbulent days of the 60's my mother took me on my first train ride.  We caught the Illinois Central Railroad in Grenada, Mississippi on our way to Chicago.  During the journey the train stopped several times to allow others to get on.  At that time, constant stopping and the filling up of the seats in the cars really had little meaning to a 7 year old.  Now it makes perfect sense.  The journey and goal was ultimately Chicago.  However, everyone did not get on the train at the same time.  The same can be true for diversity at Auburn.  The Diversity Train has left the station.  Several individuals have boarded.  This train has so far made several stops.  Some people have gotten on and unfortunately some people have gotten off.  However, the ultimate destination is diversity.  I need Auburn’s faculty to take up the majority of the seats and for you to be just as passionate about diversity as you are about shared governance.  In August, you hired me as the Conductor of the Diversity Train, now I am asking you to join me on the long journey.  I can assure you that the trip will be bumpy, with curves and many stops and start jerks.  However, I need you on this trip and I desperately need your participation.

                                               

Since August, I’ve received feedback suggestions, input, and recommendations from a great number of people.  Some have accused me of going too fast, while others have said that I am moving too slow.  I guess truth can be found somewhere in both of those critiques, but all I know is that when you are behind, you have to run faster to catch up.  Diversity and Transformation are not casual options, we must achieve them fairly quickly because our livelihood and stature as a major research university depends on it.

 

Thank you.

Applause

 

Ruth Crocker, History:  Dr. Grenell, thank you very much for your remarks.  You mentioned early on that … [Inaudible] … I know what you’re referring to. Can you explain more about, or make suggestion, about these different communities and how they can be made to work together – or what needs to be done to improve the mechanism of the train?

 

Grenell:  First of all, we are taking a very proactive opportunity this week on Thursday with the Diversity Leadership Council. We basically asked just about every major diversity group on campus to come and make a presentation ... because the biggest problem is that there are a lot of groups out there doing a lot of different things and the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing.  So, therefore, these groups are going to come together to at least make each other knowledgeable about what types of activities are being done so we can start looking at how to build the best type of infrastructure for assessment purposes.  Because to me, it is very important for the President and the Provost to be able to make public comments and to make public speeches wherever they want to go within the United States and clearly have an idea of what is going on at the university as relates to diversity and be able to clearly articulate that outside the university’s campus – as well as inside. 

 

Mouton:  The next item is listed as an Information Item.  One of the things in the Steering Committee we have looked at is when things are … when there’s not a time consequence of something, it would be a good idea to bring it to the Senate for discussion and then bring it back for a vote.  Because we have lots of discussions as to why we would get to a proposal that is being made ... a policy that is being made … and there were a lot of questions as to “Why?” at a time we should have been directing that stuff directly to the proposal.  So, Dr. Stephen McFarland is going to make a presentation on a proposed classroom behavior policy and after the discussion today, we will take it under advisement and then plan to bring it back for a vote.  So, the real issue today is not something we are going to vote on, but something we are going to look at and try to have our questions resolved.  Steve.

 

Stephen McFarland, Acting Dean of the Graduate School:  There were three catalysts for proposed policy on decorum in the classroom.  The first was the increasing number of cases of problems in the classroom that were being brought to our attention.  With students, faculty, department heads, deans, and in fact, the Provost Office, not knowing what policies and procedures there were – because there were none.  What was especially clear was the desire of faculty to know what they can and cannot do in the classroom and still remain within the boundaries of university policy.  A second catalyst was the awareness that the student discipline policy that we have is incredibly slow in operating.  It takes literally weeks, and occasionally months, to deal with problems in the classroom which is almost always too late.  Unfortunately, the third catalyst for these actions took place last October was the Arizona case where a student, Robert Flores, murdered three faculty members in a rampage directly connected to behavior in the classroom.  So, after that event, I called the University of Arizona ... they had done a great deal of soul searching, a great deal of committee work, a great deal of legal work, a great deal of consulting with outside experts.  I asked them, “Would you make a recommendation to Auburn University?”  Of course, the first question they asked is do you have a classroom decorum policy – a classroom behavior policy? To which I had to say, “Well, that is why I am calling you.”  Their recommendations to me were:

 

•First – that early intervention is the key to preventing escalation. That in the case of Robert Flores at the University of Arizona, there was a clear record – track record – of classroom behavior policies – excuse me – of classroom behavior problems that were consistently ignored.

 

•Second – they recommended that we adopt stepped sanctions; stepped sanctions that would identify problems early and then hopefully head them off before they intensified.

 

•Third – They recommended that we establish a policy that would establish that we would create a policy that would establish acceptable and unacceptable behavior in the classroom. 

 

•Interestingly at the last, the fourth item they recommended is that we establish a policy to protect faculty in the classroom.  A policy so that if faculty experience litigation as a result of actions in the classroom, that they will be enforcing university policy and will therefore will have the entire weight, authority, and resources of the university behind them when they go to court. 

 

So, with that behind me, I then formed the committee to examine behavior in the classroom.  These are the representatives on that committee: [List projected onto screen] 

 

Steve McFarland, Acting Dean of the Graduate School

Joe Kicklighter, Faculty - History

Jack Brown, Faculty - Math

Elizabeth Senger, Faculty - Curriculum and Teaching

Stephanie Miller, Student - Biological Sciences

Michelle Toncic, Student – Criminology

 

After several months of activity, we developed a draft policy. It was than sent to Student Life, Jim Hardin, who made recommendations – changed and modified – it then went to the University General Counsel for his consideration and recommendations. The final step, of course, was to bring it to you … where we are today. [Policy projected onto screen]

 

AUBURN UNIVERSITY POLICY ON CLASSROOM BEHAVIOR

  

§ INTRODUCTION

            The goal of Auburn University and its faculty and students is to foster a dynamic environment of higher learning where all students develop analytical skills, learn to think critically and communicate effectively, promote inquiry, pursue knowledge, and prepare for productive careers.  Behavior in the classroom that impedes teaching and learning and creates obstacles to this goal is considered disruptive and therefore subject to sanctions.  The purpose of these sanctions is to create and protect an optimum learning experience; they should not be considered punitive, neither by the student nor instructor.  Disagreement expressed in a civil fashion, eccentricity, idiosyncrasy, and unconventional behavior are not, per se, disruptive to the classroom experience.  These sanctions are intended only to preserve the classroom as a place to pursue knowledge, exchange ideas, and share opinions in an atmosphere of tolerance.  Students have the responsibility of complying with behavioral standards.  Faculty have a professional responsibility to set reasonable limits on the expression of opinions while treating students with dignity, respect, and understanding while guiding classroom activities.

 

            At the classroom level, clear guidelines for behavior and early intervention are the foundation for an intellectually stimulating experience for students and instructors alike.  Instructors are encouraged to include in their syllabi guidelines for classroom behavior.  Instructors who state these guidelines early and enforce them at the first appearance of disruptive behavior prevent minor episodes of classroom misconduct from escalating into serious confrontations and help transgressors to avoid the more serious consequences of such actions.

 

            Examples of improper behavior in the classroom (including the virtual classroom of e-mail, chat rooms, telephony, and web activities associated with courses) may include, but are not limited to, the following:

                        * arriving after a class has begun

                        * eating or drinking

                        * use of tobacco products

                        * monopolizing discussion

                        * persistent speaking out of turn

                        * distractive talking

* audio or video recording of classroom activities or the use of electronic     devices without the permission of the instructor

                        * refusal to comply with reasonable instructor directions

                        * employing insulting language or gestures

* verbal, psychological, or physical threats, harassment, and physical  violence

 

§ POLICY

 1.  When confronted with disruptive, but non-threatening behavior, the instructor should issue a general word of caution to the class as a whole rather than to a particular student so as not to exacerbate the problem.

 

2.  If a general caution directed to the entire class does not stop the disruptive activity, the instructor should endeavor to meet in private with the disruptive student.  The resulting discussion should include a description of the problem, the reason it is disruptive, and the consequences of continued violations of classroom behavior guidelines.

 

3.  If the disruptive behavior is preventing further instruction, the instructor is authorized to ask the disruptive student to leave the class immediately for the remainder of the class session.  Removal from the classroom for more than one class period, for an extended period, or on a permanent basis normally requires the instructor to file charges of a violation of the Auburn University Discipline Code with the Vice President for Student Affairs.  The department head/chair or dean may negotiate a withdrawal from the course or a transfer of the disruptive student to a different course section or course, if, in his or her opinion, a different instructor and different classmates would defuse the situation and provide the disruptive student with a new learning opportunity.

 

 4.   If threats have been made or physical violence is imminent, the instructor should notify the Auburn University Department of Public Safety immediately.  The instructor should also notify the course department head/chair or dean promptly, followed by a memo to the department head/chair or dean documenting the incident and actions taken.

 

Instructors and administrators are encouraged to maintain records of all disruptive incidents and any actions taken concerning them.  Nothing in this policy is intended to infringe or restrict the educational process or the academic freedom of Auburn students or instructors.

***

I don’t think I will take the time to read this to you. It’s two pages long – if I can just point out several major points here though. The first is, that this is a policy designed to enhance the learning experience in the classroom.  It is not intended to be vindictive; it is not intended to

squash; it is intended to create the most constructive environment possible in the classroom.

It goes on to describe examples of improper behavior, and then sets a series of steps ever increasing sanctions against individuals who are violating this policy. Following up on the Arizona recommendation of:


q      early interventions prevent escalation

q      stepped sanctions to identify problems early, and

q      to head them off before they intensify. 

 

Well, John [Mouton], that’s it. 

 

Mouton:  Comments or questions, please. 

 

Brunner:  Dr. McFarland, and Paula [Sullenger], help me on this – don’t we have a university Student Disciplinary – a standing committee?

 

Sullenger:  Yes.

 

Brunner:  I would like to know what role that committee ... that committee would hear concerns of the kind expressed in here ... and probably those even more extreme than this.  Did that committee have any role in drafting this policy, and what role did the students play ... the SGA representatives play in discussion about this policy and the drafting of this document?

 

McFarland:  Well, first, my second catalyst, if you will remember, Dr. Brunner, was that the current student discipline policy is too slow.  It takes weeks and months before they can act, and in almost all cases I have dealt with in the last couple of years, it’s simply too late.  It doesn’t deal with those problems.  The Student Discipline Policy is more about punishment for an action that took place, rather than preventing that action from taking place – or from dealing with it in an immediate sense where it is disrupting the classroom experience.  Now, did it go before that student committee? No, it did not.  It did go to Student Affairs of course.

 

The second question you asked was about student involvement.  Miss Miller and Miss Toncic on this list are both students.  Miss Toncic is an undergraduate, and Miss Miller is a graduate student. She was also specially identified as a Graduate Teaching Assistant – so she was literally looking at it from both sides.  Now again, I do want to emphasize, the great frustration that so many feel is that if a student if disrupting the class, the Student Discipline Committee ... it will generally take a minimum of three weeks and occasionally, a maximum of up to six months before action is taken.  In the interim, the classroom is disrupted, and the learning experience is disrupted.  I really don’t want to get into anecdotes but that was the purpose behind this.  As far as to why we didn’t go to the Student Discipline Committee, the committee never raised that issue.  It wasn’t done consciously – it was done, I guess, unconsciously.

 

Virginia O’Leary, Psychology:  I guess I’m a little confused about why this is seen as necessary discipline at this time.  I entered the academic profession in the 1960’s at a time in which classroom disruption was very common.  Some of you are my age, and probably remember being queried by students quite directly as to why you had the audacity, for example, to assign the textbook that you did ... on the grounds that, “What did you know that was so superior, and why was this not a collaborative effort?”  I think the history of the academy is also replete with numerous examples of tragedies that have occurred in academic classrooms.  So, this particular event in Arizona was preceded by unfortunate events at the University of Iowa, etc., etc.  So, I guess, I’m just wondering about the… what really occasioned this.  The slowness of the academic discipline committee with dealing with these kinds of issues ... I think Paula [Sullenger] is looking at me because I failed to identify myself ... I’m Virginia O’Leary, Senator from Psychology.  As a former department chair, I think that there have always been mechanisms in place for the handling of these kinds of disruptive events. They didn’t necessarily invoke the Academic Discipline Committee and formal charges. Certainly, as the department chair, I was occasionally called upon by faculty members to reinforce concerns about issues in the classroom ... of not particularly threatening... but some disruptions and how to deal with them – and they were dealt with informally. So, I’m just distressed at being at this juncture in time ... there are a lot of reasons that these disruptions occur.  Sometimes an appropriate referral is actually to the Student Counseling Center . . .particularly with the number of students who on campus who are protected in a variety of ways ... in terms of sensitive issues having to do with things such as their physical and mental health status, etc., etc.  So, I guess I really don’t see the real need for such a policy or for codifying what seems to me to be pretty clear cut cases of sort of humane and commonsense handling of these kinds of issues unless the situation is threatening in which case, I think that, we do have policies to cover those things ... and certainly we all have the freedom to indicate in our course syllabi ... in fact are encouraged to ... identify what kinds of behavior and expectations we have – ranging from, of course, participation to attendance, etc. 

 

Bailey:  I have some concerns about the introduction which claims things that may be included:

● Arriving after a class is done ... has begun ... I don’t know, I’d hate to be any instructor … because there are some bloody-minded individuals amongst us who ... to say that walking in too late is by definition disruptive.  I think that there are students who have various reasons why having a bottle of water or something to eat in class ... I have a woman who is very pregnant right now, and I have a three hour class ... and she’s going to have food – and I want her to have food in that class.  So, again ... a bloody-minded individual comes to mind here.

Monopolizing discussion ... well, some of us can be incredibly monopolizing.  But, my point is that’s a judgment call and I think we need to have some kinds of ways of defining what we mean by that.

Finally, I don’t know ... maybe you can tell me what the problem is with having audio or video recording of what goes on ... but in a case where a student and a faculty member are having some disputes – some serious conflict of personality – and that does sometimes happen ... it seems to me the student might well be advised to have the tape recorder running to protect themselves in any future disciplinary hearing. The ability of a university faculty member to say, “No, you cannot record this class’’ strikes me as unrealistic and unreasonable. 

 

Bill Hames, Geology & Geography:  I’m afraid I will lapse just a little bit into anecdotes to speak, or say that. I think it’s good to discuss the things that we have here, and this is an appropriate exercise to be going through to try and get faculty guidelines which perhaps should have come from department heads or [Inaudible] … We’ve recently begun to teach very large introductory classes and faculty, just yesterday, were bringing up the fact that students will talk on cell phones in class, students will talk in back rows of large classrooms … very distracting. In fact, one of our faculty finds it necessary to have a teaching assistant to run around and be a bit of a police person while he’s teaching so as to not disrupt the class. I think it’s unfortunate but I think he’d appreciate some of the items that are here. But, different faculty have different levels of tolerance to disruption of classroom.  One faculty member might not mind at all what … [Inaudible] … I remember, as well, having students who would become somewhat threatening about a grade he was given on a test.  [Inaudible] It was handled fairly well. We went outside to talk in the all, but it was a pretty nerve-wrecking experience – and having a little bit more solid set guidelines – I would have a bit more confidence that what I’m doing is the correct procedure [Inaudible].

                                   

Mouton:  Judy.                                  

 

Judy Sheppard, Steering Committee:  I do too like the steps – if this is necessary. In Academic Honesty cases, it’s nice to have [Inaudible] … to have the students know exactly what to do so that’s a very reassuring thing.  Are we not … I’m just asking … number three...are we not authorized now to ask a student to leave the classroom if they are disruptive?  I’m not sure … I mean … well, I’ve never gotten a straight answer on – can you tell a student, “Don’t come back “…if that were to happen to happen?

 

McFarland:  Dr. O’Leary referred to mechanisms, but I would ask her to show me those mechanisms. They don’t exist.  Everything is being done on an ad hoc – extemporaneous basis.  One of the fears and concerns that the University General Counsel has is that there doesn’t seem to be a lot of consistency – especially as leadership changes take place.  There are mechanisms, but again as I’m saying, we are making them up as we go … and that is part of the frustration.  I wish I could identify them for you – but we don’t. I think there is a lot of people who say, “Of course we do.”  Well, sorry … we don’t know of any … and what you are also doing – and I’ll say this is somewhat self-serving – we ask administrators to make decisions like this … and we’re sticking our necks out. Because if I say, “Yes, you have the authority to do this,”  I’m not enforcing University policy when I say that … and, of course, when you’re not doing – then you are really in a legal gray area.  Even if the power in authority at the University is behind you, that doesn’t necessarily mean that you are okay. So, that again, is part of the motivation here … so, again, I don’t know how to answer that – we don’t.  The only thing we have is the Student Discipline Policy which is spelled out in the Tiger Cub, and in many instances, what we are relying on is that a statement that was put into the Tiger Cub Behavior Policy … or Discipline Policy for the Vietnam War era demonstrations … and essentially refers to destruction of University property and this type of thing.  We are using that, in a very general sense, for individual, specific issues inside the classroom … that we just feel so uncomfortable using that as some sort of blanket justification for the actions that we take.  So, I have to say, that the primary motivation again was for the faculty, because I get to listen to all the stories that all come to the Provost’s Office … and very rarely are faculty willing to step up and tell these stories, because they are embarrassed, they’re shocked, they lose sleep over the issues, and they’ve pleaded – and that’s where this came from – the pleading that takes place … give us something that tells us what we can do.  The often times asked … question that is asked is, “Am I allowed to tell a student they have to leave my class?”  I’d like to say, “Of course,” but I don’t know … and I don’t know of anybody else who really knows because we don’t have a policy.  So, we are really playing it by ear when I say, “Sure, you are.”  When we have to have uniformed policemen escorting students into class – then something is wrong, and that’s what this is about.

 

Mouton:  Please.

 

Mike Reinke, Pharmacy Practice:  I would like to rise in defense of the need to discuss this.  I’m not necessarily agreeing with every item. Like Virginia, I came of age in the 1960’s, and I’ve been back and forth across the student/faculty line many, many times over many, many years.  I would have to say that it is no longer about intellectual discourse or reasoned debate. My subjective impression, particularly in the last five years … and this is in the School of Pharmacy, mind you, is that there is a level of collective uncivility … incivility, excuse me, in the classroom, that is very bad at present and getting worse [Inaudible] some of the worst behavior, in fact an overwhelming majority of the inappropriate behavior I see in the School of Pharmacy, is collective – it’s not individual. It’s a group of people who hide behind the fact that it’s difficult to pick out the ones that are constantly talking and being disruptive … [Inaudible] … a little more attention needs to be paid to that sort of behavior. [Inaudible].

 

McFarland:  I’d like to respond. In these policy steps themselves … number two – number one is that you start with a general warning of caution to the entire class – rather than the individuals … and this is a recommendation from the University of Arizona … that identifying the student, a malcontent, immediately is to intensify and exacerbate the situation rather than calm it down … and, it is a poor substitute or poor answer for what you are suggesting, I agree with you … but I did put that in there for that specific reason. It started out at the class level, to make sure everyone understands the rules, and certainly when we person or persons … [Inaudible].

 

Reinke:  One more comment … if I could.  I do want to point out that I am hardly an advocate of unreasonable policies.  [Inaudible] I’m hardly an advocate for the iron-fisted approach to calming classroom behavior.  I am sorry to say, that just, as my opinion, things have really begun to deteriorate over the last few years and it’s worse obviously [Inaudible], but I do think it’s appropriate to address this concern.

 

Mouton:  Cindy.

 

Brunner:  Second comment.  Steve, all I ask … this policy appears to be on the fast track … and it appears to circumvent some obvious sources of your plights about such things.  Before we are asked to vote on this in May, I would like to hear what our SGA representative and his colleagues have to say about it, and I would like to hear what our Student Disciplinary Committee has to say about it.

 

McFarland:  I can only respond that we began last May, so in fact, it’s been on-going for ten months. 

 

Brunner:  Can we still hear from those groups?

 

McFarland:  I’ve turned it over to the Senate, you will need to direct it this way.

 

Mouton:  We’ll do that. In the back …

 

Sridhar Krishnamurti, Communication Disorders:    I think this policy is important … Despite all the [Inaudible].  They mover from one instructor to another, and they make life for several instructors miserable. And each instructor thinks, “This only happened to me.”  [Inaudible] … Normally, a profile of a student in trouble – and we certainly are teaching them a lesson in terms of the teacher [Inaudible] that this behavior is appropriate. [Inaudible]  This has a lot of bearing on what we do on a day-to-day basis. [Inaudible]

 

Mouton:  We’ll take maybe two more comments, please.

 

O’Leary:  Well, it hurts me having heard this discussion that … it seems to me, what we really need … is not this kind of codification of policy, but it points, once again, from quite a different perspective … that is usually done for the crying need for a center for faculty development to assist individual faculty members in being able to handle these kinds of situations when they do arise.  There are some ways of handling this kind of disruption … whether its at the individual or the collective level in group settings … and, there’s training that can be done, and in fact, Dr. McFarland refers to the recommendations of the … was it the University of Arizona or Arizona State? … the University of Arizona in dealing with this in terms of not pin-pointing the single individual, etc.  Indeed, much has been written about conflict resolution which would suggest that the very worst thing you can do initially, in this kind of a situation, is to pinpoint such an individual. There’s a huge literature in the field of psychology [Inaudible] collective level, and it seems to me, that it would be really beneficial to have some opportunities for faculty development in this general arena.

 

Mouton:  We’re closing on 4:30 p.m.  So, I am going to cut off the discussion, and thank you very much.  What I would like to ask … what I would like to ask everyone here, is first of all, the purpose for bring this forward today was to have this initial discussion.  Please take it back to your faculty.  It’s available on the web, and take it back to your faculty and see what their comments and concerns are.  If you have some specific recommendations … in regard to the policy … is okay with you, but it needs some adjustment, please forward those to Paula [Sullenger] so the Steering Committee has the opportunity to review those.

 

Sullenger:  Oh, okay.

 

Mouton:     He [Inaudible] … it’s our turn … and then, get the feedback from your faculty.  The next item on the agenda is New Business.  Do we have anyone here who has new business to bring before the body?  We have changed the process that we adjourn before the discussion, and I sense that when we adjourn we will have a mass exodus … but, please, all those who are ready to leave … if there’s not any objection … the meeting is adjourned. [The meeting adjourned at 4:30 p.m.]

 

Adjournment

 

 

[The following discussion was not part of the official meeting and is included for information.  These notes were not in the minutes as approved by the Senate. – PS]

 

Discussion Topic:  Provost Search Process

April 8, 2003

4:35 p.m.

 

John Mouton:  Those of you who are still here and haven’t lost interest, we might ask for some comments about enrollment or enrollment management.  Please, someone in the audience.

 

Cindy Brunner:  John, the reason I asked the question earlier about accommodating these students who survive their freshman year was because, as you know, that exact question was asked by some of the people who met with you at our informal luncheon a few weeks ago.  It doesn’t affect me at the Vet School.  Does this fall under your criteria, Linda [Glaze]? [Laughter]

 

JM:  I would say so, yes. [Laughter]

 

Cindy Brunner:  It doesn’t affect me if we control enrollment, but clearly, it affects some of the people who are teaching Core and the lower division courses – and as someone else pointed out, those students are gonna – some of them will survive even if there are upper division classes.  And it looks like we may be just shoehorning them into what we already have unless we make some long-term commitment to supporting that increased level of instruction. 

 

JM:       We’ll come back to that.

 

Paul Schmidt, Mathematics:  I was pleased to hear Dr. Pritchett’s statement that the university is prepared to provide funding for emergency measures just like the ones we [Inaudible] last year. [Inaudible] it rationally follows that [Inaudible] that occurred last year and will continue to move through the system.  I would just like to point out as someone in mathematics who is very much in teaching freshman courses, service courses [Inaudible] I’d like to point out that these emergency measures may be effective short-term, but long-term they tend to hurt our programs. For example, faculty teaching overloads for extra compensation – though they may like that, but faculty research suffers when you do that. Graduate students teaching extra courses is a cheap solution, but when graduate students teach extra courses their academic progress suffers.  If we hire a lot of temporary instructors, as we did in mathematics, of course we got some people from AUM, and those are-quality people, but we hired people off the streets – people who bounce from one college to the other teaching courses – If we do that on a regular basis with lots of temporary instructors teaching these low-level courses, we lose control of the quality of instruction.  And at a very critical juncture.  These entry-level courses are really important for the incoming students.  So there are lots of consequences in these emergency measures that we would not like to see long-term.  So, I’m very much in agreement with Cindy when she says that we need long-term planning in order to accommodate these students who will continue to move through the system.  We need faculty positions, we need GTA slots.

 

John Pritchett:  John, let me address that.  There are two ways to manage the size of your upper division classes because there are two sources of students.  Number one – are our native students who attend as freshmen and then progress through.  It is true that we have a bolus that we have not had in the past.  We have reached capacity.  The other source of students – your transfer students – normally we let in 1200 to 1500 transfer students who come in at the upper levels.  The plan is to restrict transfers and give preference to the native students. So that we level this thing out until that bolus is out the other end.

 

What we’re doing at this point in time – Linda [Glaze] is on the Oversight Committee, Steve’s on the Oversight Committee, people from both Science & Math, and Liberal Arts.  We’ve tightened the screws down and said, essentially no, unless you’ve got just an exceptionally high [Inaudible]  I don’t have the heart to turn away somebody with a 3.6 [GPA] and a 29 [ACT] – but, I think we’ve got a better handle on that this year.  We’ve been talking to John [Mouton?] about it, and we’ve learned some things this year.  Basically, we have three bands for students.  We have automatic admission, we have a maybe, and then we have an absolute no.  John, for the coming year, what we are going to do is narrow that automatic admit – so we’ll be putting more people on waiting lists and backfilling those waiting lists.  But we have had some variables that have occurred in the past two years that we didn’t know what they were going to do to us.

 

JM:  Well, I think that one of the things [Inaudible] We need to separate the discussion.  There is a discussion about freshmen admissions for this fall, and then there’s a discussion about continuing students. [Inaudible] I think the idea about managing transfers-- I think it would be good for the faculty to understand that when we reduce the number of transfers, how many we would reduce [Inaudible] the problem because [Inaudible] The other thing is when we look at admissions, and I’ve been researching [Inaudible] with other universities, and our admissions tended to run about 3200 [until 1995?] and all of a sudden there’s a giant leap.  I assume somewhere there’s a rationale [Inaudible] My question is [Inaudible] measure the capacity of the university and the number of students we’re going to have.  The opportunity is to manage freshmen, and the opportunity is to manage transfers. You guys [Inaudible]. The department I’m in has the opportunity to manage admissions.  But, the rest of the people rely on the University.

 

JP:  John [Mouton] just brought up a good point.  I remember pre-1996, we were running 3200 new freshmen.  I don’t believe that we were really at capacity at that point in time, but we had a catalyst, and the catalyst was Fob James’ budget cut, which really diminished state allocations.  Dr. Muse at that point in time worked with Don Large, you know, to let the enrollment float and I remember the hue and cry when we went up to about 3600.

 

Linda Glaze:  I do too.

 

JP:  The idea of many areas, well, we’re permanently funded, this was Liberal Arts primarily, we’re permanently funded to do 3200, but we’ll temporarily fund you to do the rest.  Now that strained Liberal Arts, there is no question about that.  Then when these students started floating into the majors, I think that we are probably about right.  For a number of years, what we did was admit around 3600, 3650, 3700, 3650.  The year that we transitioned into semesters, there was a conscious effort...you know … to let in a few more, because other places dropped in a bowl…and then this past year, we were back to about 3700 or 3750, so right in that 3600-3700.  We were pretty budget capacity.  But this thing this past year almost killed us, and that is why we are holding back to about 3700.  We are letting the air out of the balloon gradually.  A lot of people have been working hard for the past nine months.  John, it is still not perfect, but we are a hell of a lot further along than we were before.

 

John Mouton:  The real thing, I think, is the issue that I’m going to raise.  Even at 3700 with the number of transfers, how are we actually, as a university looking at [Inaudible] year?  I am still not convinced that 3700 is the right number.  I am not convinced that our university has the faculty capacity to [Inaudible].  I think that what is happening is that, we were 3200 and we went to 3700 and the faculty [Inaudible].  I think that we have been doing that for a long time.  I think that what has happened now is that, with this blip, all of a sudden, it is causing us to stand back and look at this.  [Inaudible].

 

Cindy Brunner: Dr. Pritchett, when was [Jim Golson] hired to be director of Enrollment Management?  Was that about that same time [Inaudible]?

 

John Pritchett:  Jim was brought in as an assistant Vice President of Enrollment Management in Dr. Burkhalter’s last year, Bettye [Burkhalter] left in 98.

 

Cindy Brunner: I think that there may be a credibility issue here too.  At least…I was on the Budget Advisory Committee at about that time and I at least had the understanding that the director of Enrollment Management could actually figure out a way to manage enrollment.  What happened instead was…correct me if I am wrong…he was figuring out ways he could increase enrollment to generate more revenue from incoming students.  And we …

 

John Pritchett  You bring out an excellent point.  Most of the people in the country were scrambling to get students and the culture is, how do we get more?  And in fact, in the discussions that I have had with Dr. Williams over the past 18-months, when he was in [Inaudible] before that in Kansas…how can we get more?  And this environment here is totally foreign to him and, uh, he has finally come to see that here it is not about more, it is about higher quality, because we can’t take more.

 

John Mouton: Well, I think another piece of it is that, I’ve been listening to faculty talk about ... well, what their question is, Is the driver economics?  And after visiting with Don Large, I’m actually convinced that it isn’t.  Don will never turn away money.  [Laughter].  I don’t think that there is a catalyst coming out of Don’s office saying that he wants [Inaudible].  I will say this, that these students that we have that are coming back as sophomores next year – if they’re the average mix -- we are going to pick up a couple of million dollars in tuition.  We have the resources with which, on a short term basis, to deal with some of those issues.  My fear is that we addicted to the two million and then when we start trying to let the air out of the balloon, it makes pressure on the other side, because when we do our budget, [Inaudible] basically we take every penny that’s available to us and allocate it to something because we have needs that exceed the budget.

 

John Pritchett: Let me say this, I told Dr. Large that he can sure teach accounting.  We have got some other Vice Presidents that can teach some other courses, too. [Laughter]  I have got to go meet with ....

 

Paul Schmidt: [Inaudible] Not only these millions of dollars, we may also get addicted to the idea that we can have cheap [Inaudible] instructors to teach these low-level courses.  I see that as a big danger for our program.

 

John Pritchett: Let me say this…Dr. Large has a way of not spending money in the first year.  He has this wonderful thing that – Is there anyone here from the Budget Advisory Committee?  He has the money allocated to tuition reserve, which he holds back, so you don’t get addicted.

 

John Mouton: I think that Paul’s point...[Inaudible interruption by another speaker] What I want to say is that I have heard a lot of discussion where we are saying what we did last year is okay.

 

Linda Glaze: It is not desirable.

 

John Mouton:  But that is not the message that is necessarily out there.  I think that some of the people’s interpretation was….well, okay… we got that done,  and so what I want to make sure of is that the message is very clear, that this should never be repeated.

 

Linda Glaze:  I think no…actually, John, you just attended the last meeting.  I think, uh… …I come from Languages and Literatures and I was in a similar situation, and I was a former department head that had to beg for money.  My department has depended for many years on temporary money.  I do not believe that the people sitting around that table, from the academic side, see this as desirable.  The issue is [if] we have allowed these students in -- that was not necessarily our choice -- but we have to provide them classes.  That is the reason for cutting back in terms of….it may not look like a cutback at 3700….but in terms of,  -- that isn’t the final number, but it is again -- not wanting to let out the air too fast.  But I don’t think that anyone sitting around that table, John, thinks that we have enough to sustain that for any length of time.

 

John Mouton: I want to divide the two questions.

 

Linda Glaze: Sure.  But I did think that they are related in a sense of….we have to deal with the temporary, which really is a response to enrollment fluctuation.   But I do think that we need to look at the number of FTEs that we have to accord the various departments.  But I can also say, being that I work with all of the colleges and schools, that the pressure is not coming from COSAM and Liberal Arts.  The pressure is coming from other colleges and schools, who want more majors and they are saying that we can handle more.

 

John Mouton: They being?

 

Linda Glaze: College of Engineering, your college [Architecture, Design & Construction], Agriculture….they are telling us, in other words….

 

John Mouton: Not faculty, the deans?

 

Linda Glaze:  [Inaudible] go back to your two deans, because...

 

John Mouton: And I am going to.  Okay, I am definitely going to…

 

Linda Glaze: But I assume that it is coming from that: programs want to be bigger.  And it is not…I don’t think that it is a University issue. One of the things that we are looking at is that the colleges and schools identify how many majors that they can handle.  That total is more that we can handle in the first two years.  And I have constantly said…

 

John Mouton:  That is why we have transfer students. 

 

Linda Glaze:  I have constantly said that there is one driver that people do not like, and that really is the capacity, in terms of the size of the Freshman class, is the capacity of basically the Department of English and the Department of Mathematics.  That is what we have to look at because all students take, within the first couple of years, Math and English.  And that is what we try to give them, Math and English.  But part of the problem is the request that are coming from the colleges to allow in more Freshmen, because by the time they get into their majors, they don’t have that pool of students.  They may be admitted at, wanting to be in Engineering, but by the time they are really ready for Engineering, they have gone through Math and Chemistry and they are no longer going to be Engineers.  And that is another problem...that is another issue.  It is not what we admit at that level, it is also the capacity of what units are saying they have in terms of the various colleges and schools. The number of majors.

 

John Mouton: I think that we hear programs saying they want to be bigger.  When I talk to faculty, programs want to be better.  Not that those things are diametrically opposed, but I think that what happens is, that as I go around campus and talk to people, that some of the [Inaudible] enrollment is shifting.  We’re producing more output than ever, true or false?

 

Linda Glaze: I would assume it is true.

 

John Mouton:  And more research.

 

Linda Glaze: I agree with that.

 

John Mouton:  It is all coming out of the same pool, it’s coming out of the faculty. I think Paul’s point about we give these people an overload, what we’re doing is we’re reducing their capacity to [Inaudible] I think that maybe, you know, I understand that [Inaudible] the deans would say, there’s a knowledgeable person to do this, but then one of the things we end up with is [Inaudible] Human Sciences.  Crank up their enrollment.  Now we are back to [Inaudible]  And the thing that I look at, is this burden has been on the faculty through the years, they’ve carried that burden, that creates that demand. So, I am just wondering…understand that I agree that freshman capacity is being driven by English and Mathematics is exactly right.  What is the marker for the capacity of the rest of our university?  Is it a dean’s ambition?

 

Linda Glaze: What I am saying, in terms of ….I think what you are talking about is where you really need to look at is, the driver is at the major level in colleges and schools.  Obviously, and I think that depends, too, on the profession.  I know, for example, the discussion of one of the programs that is like yours is very closed is Graphic Design.  At one point, someone said that we need to provide more faculty in that area…but it is also whether that profession wants to…I think that there are many factors that come in….  Can the profession sustain graduates in that area?  The students may be desiring to go into that field, but can that profession maintain it?  [Inaudible] if our students can eventually go out and get a job, I don’t think that we should consider producing the majors, because that is what they want necessarily to do.  I think what you really need to look at is…you really need to look at the academic discipline, in terms of their capacity and where their limits are.

 

Cindy Brunner: Are the academic departments getting any kind of financial incentive to increase their capacity at those higher levels?  You know, that just a few years ago, there was an administrative sense that, that was the wave of the future in budgeting academic institutions.  I don’t remember what the buzzword was...production?

 

Speaker #1: We have the ACHE formulas too.

 

Linda Glaze: We never played by those...I know what you are talking about.

 

Cindy Brunner:  If you increase the attractiveness of you program and recruit more students.  You get the whole batch.  More of that new money, and it was intended to be a clear incentive to drive up enrollment and “devil may care” what happens to those students once they get in….and whether there is a market for them when they get out.  I remember lots of objections down in the trenches about that and there were those of us who can’t operate our program that way.  We can’t accept all of the hundreds of students that want to be veterinarians just so that we have increased tuition revenues.  I’m wondering if we have any administrator that still subscribe to that philosophy and are motivating this...

 

Linda Glaze:  I don’t know.  But what I am saying is, I really think in terms of…from the point of view of general university enrollment….I see it centrally, and obviously my concern is to make sure that we are not [Inaudible] for the general education.  But I really have some serious concerns, and I have expressed those, that we have got some problem areas, and it is not the Core…where I see more basic problems is in the College of Business and in departments like Communications that are providing what people call service courses, support courses -- and that because they are really pushed by enrollment issues and again there are not enough faculty and there is no new faculty positions.  They are putting in GPA requirements not for majors, but to take their courses, and that is a real problem. [Inaudible] I really think that we need to look at the indicators by nature – and look at the colleges and schools…because really, I know that in terms even for allowing in any student, we at the central level, said in January….no new students for spring and then we’d get requests from colleges and schools and I assume that those weren’t just from the Deans offices, that they were from the department heads who had been working with individual students…..and can’t you let in one more?  So I really think that issue has to be looked at.

 

John Mouton: What seems to me, and I said in that meeting, is what seems to me, is at the time that they’re doing whatever this cutoff is, Why can’t we allow each dean to look at their slots?  We know that they are going to do that.  We act like it is a big surprise.

 

Linda Glaze:  No it is not.

 

John Mouton: It is not a surprise, you know.

 

Linda Glaze: Sometimes the amount that they ask for is.

 

John Mouton: Well, what happens is that we have no agreement, when the presumption is zero, [Inaudible].  I agree with you wholeheartedly and that is one of the things that we’re dealing with.  In fact I had lunch today with somebody who is going to look at it at the department head in their college and then they will call us and give us some information [Inaudible].  But the real thing that I know, is that I have been around this campus for a year and I have talked to 585 faculty.  Across the board, there’s some fatigue at this university.  Our teacher loads are not diminishing, our class sizes are increasing.  We are producing more Research and Outreach, particularly if you want to move up the faculty advancement ladder. I think that what happens is that our university has increased to 21,000 to 23,000 students over some number of years, essentially with the same faculty.

 

Linda Glaze: I am not arguing with you.  I think that one thing is….in being where I am and seeing what I see, and having been a department head, and having been a department head that has had to beg a lot to central administration.  I do think that one issue we will be looking at is class size, and yes there are some classes that are really big but in many cases they are there to offset classes that do not meet university standards for minimal enrollment.  So I think you need to look at the whole spectrum.  I assume that what you are probably going to get to, which is what I understand came up at Academic Affairs is an issue in dealing with the whole issue of faculty workload.  I’m just saying the way I see, the lay of the land, the lack of funding .I think that is an issue that you or the Senate needs to be able to answer, is the faculty workload.

 

[Conversation drifted off at this point and people did not use the microphones, so much of the remainder is fragmentary. – PS]